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Two articles!

NOTE: This article is doubling up on Utrecht tram attack. The articles obviously need merging. Silas Stoat (talk) 12:34, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Someone redirected it to this article. job done. Thanks. Silas Stoat (talk) 13:26, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Potential sources

These sources may be of use in expanding the article. Please feel free to add to them. Mjroots (talk) 12:37, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dutch

De Telegraaf

English

Authorities have not verified a death

Authorities have so far not confirmed any deaths. A blank sheet was seen on the street convering something - assumed a dead person - , from which media deduced that someone must have gotten killed. Siebrand (talk) 13:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Attack or attacks?

I changed the heading to singular Attack, but the Telegraph is now reporting multiple locations [1]. At what point do we change the heading to the plural. Is the Telegraph ref. good enough? The situation seems unclear at the moment. Silas Stoat (talk) 14:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tram involved

Tram 5011 was the tram involved. As the article develops, there may be room for a photograph of the tram. File:BRU tram 5011-III.JPG is available at Commons. Mjroots (talk) 15:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tram 5014 also involved. Mjroots (talk) 17:02, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

>>>Where?

News pictures suggest that the scene of the crime is closer to position 52.079734, 5.091897, more than 100 m away from the one given at the top of this article. Is that right? Is anybody here familiar enough with the spot to say for sure? Kelisi (talk) 18:21, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Terrorist or mass shooter?

Is this a mass shooting or a terrorist attack? 97.118.129.179 (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, the culprit targeted a woman with a hand gun and then emptied his magazine on anyone trying to help her, killing two and wounding five others.--MWAK (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is your source? This still doesn't say whether he is a mass shooter or a terrorist. 97.118.129.179 (talk) 19:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@97.118.129.179: It is currently unclear whether or not this is a terrorist attack. The Dutch authorities are further investigating the situation. MrClog (talk) 20:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This page should not speculate or feed into speculation. Wikipedia should not be feeding into racist speculation. 97.118.129.179 (talk) 23:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 March 2019

It has been proposed in this section that Utrecht tram shooting be renamed and moved to Utrecht shooting.

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2019 Utrecht shooting → Utrecht shooting – (WP:CONCISE) This is the only article on Wikipedia about a shooting in Utrecht. Therefore, this could be renamed to Utrecht shooting until a second notable shooting in Urecht happens in the future to adhere to the title's conciseness.

For example, see
2017 Manchester Arena bombing → Manchester Arena bombing (talk)
2018 YouTube headquarters shooting → YouTube headquarters shooting (talk)
2018 China–United States trade war → China–United States trade war (2018–present) → China–United States trade war (talk)
—Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 22:54, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – The year identifies the subject and context of the event. Also, it’s not like there has never been a shooting in Utrecht in the past. IWI (chat) 23:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Per WP:CONCISE. This was the first and only notable shooting in Utrecht on this wiki. MrClog (talk) 23:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notability?

Is this event even notable enough for a wikipedia page in the first place? It appears to be one of many domestic violence shootings which occur all over the world every day and don't get their own wikipedia page. It seems that a politician speculated that this may be terrorism based on the ethnicity of the shooter and that that is the only reason this is even receiving attention in the press. 97.118.129.179 (talk) 23:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]