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Page moves

Hi. As you know, the articles dealing with the expulsion of the Germans can be quite contentious. As such, any page move should really be discussed. I don't fault you for being WP:BOLD, but having said that, this is the sort of thing on which I think we would want consensus before moving forward. If you could please join the discussion on the talk page, that would be great. Much thanks. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

POV template

Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved.

This is in POV template. Do not remove the POV template until dispute is over.--Gwinndeith (talk) 17:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I might have been a bit too rush in some decisions, I suggest third party-neutral-to decide what is wrong and what is right for that article.--Gwinndeith (talk) 11:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Tagging T3

Just a quick reminder: If you tag a template like Template:Pomeranian history for speedy deletion, remember to always(!) put it in <noinclude></noinclude> tags, otherwise it will show up on all transcluded pages, messing up the category for speedy deletion. Regards SoWhy 07:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:Pomerania

Please reduce the topics within the template to developments prior to 1945, because the current form is too extensive. Pomerania as such is no longer a political entity, and the mixing of German elements with now-Polish ones within one template, particularly one of such massive proportions, is confusing rather than a helfpul navigational tool. As Pomerania no longer exists as such, there is no point in adding the template to towns or locations in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern or Poland. It would be much more useful, if the topics included in it were related to the historic events in Pomerania only. There are templates, lists and/or categories for towns, lakes, rivers, islands, etc. in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Poland, respectively, so there really isn't any need for more templates of that sort. --Axt (talk) 22:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Silesian topics

Thanks for your help. Since I'm only a noob with a short temper your edits are really instructive. :) Karasek (talk) 07:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Table

Thanks for the work on the table here. Should we add the 1941 changes to it? Also, should we make it into a template? It certainly could be used in Administrative division of Polish territories during World War II, and possibly in some other articles.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the subarticles are fine, but indeed there is a problem with overlapping content and structure. PS. I recently created Kattowitz (region). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Intention or false positive?

Hey Skäpperöd, and thanks for pointing out the edit here. Embarrasing as it is, I honestly am not sure why I made that edit... it's clearly not vandalism nor bad sourcing, so the only explanation I can think of is that I accidentally clicked revert when I was patrolling IP recent edits. Never Twinkle before morning coffee is the lesson. All the best, FlyingToaster 12:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Reichsgau Danzig-West Prussia

Please see my comment a the bottom, and the merge proposal on the main page. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Fed. of Expellees

Hi - I see your point. Thanks for reverting these edits and thanks for explaining your rationale in my talk page. The Nazi resettlement of Germans during WW2 is itself an interesting topic, maybe worth an article of itself. As you probably know, the "evacuation" looked differently in different Baltic countries and while Germans from Estonia and Latvia left their countries voluntarily, the ones resettled later from Lithuania were in fact forced to leave and then kept in special Nazi camps. In fact they could be seen as the first German expellees ... --Lysy^talk 19:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:wwii anniversary

You are more then welcome to fix such thing, I have no problem when my errors get pointed out and corrected :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

East Upper Silesia

Where could we redirect this? Or should we stub this? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Redirect Eastern Upper Silesia. Any thoughts? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Expulsion of Germans after WWII

Hi, well I did that because I knew it would catch everyone's attention, which it obviously did. A fact tag would not be of any help since it isn't really something we need a "fact" for, so tagging it would be pointless. Having weird sentences like the one in question, which is hardly a sentence to begin with, does little to help wikipedia's credibility. I don't even know how to fix it. Aha, greetings from the south, from Saxon-Switzerland.--Npovshark (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the constructive edits at Teutonic takeover of Danzig (Gdańsk). I think it looks pretty good now and about as "consensus" as it can get.radek (talk) 17:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Holocaust

User:Skäpperöd wrote: or that the situation of Poles in general should be described as Holocaust. Say, do you intend deleting the entire section on the Poles? --

User:Skäpperöd wrote: Holocaust has a clear meaning and clearly refers to the final solution od the Jeweish question. If some people want to evoke the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the nazis during WWII I think they can write an article devoted to this topic. --

Skäpperöd, Do you propose deleting the entire section on the Poles? ----Woogie10w (talk) 19:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Konnen Sie bitte, etwa deutschen Quellen von dem Holocaust emphelen?--Woogie10w (talk) 16:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Britannica

Whats up Doc, I own the CD version of the Britannica.--Woogie10w (talk) 13:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is fun; you can feel young again, it reminds me of the time when I was a kid at the beach. I built a sandcastle and the next day the tide washed it away. --Woogie10w (talk) 13:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

SPI cases

 Clerk note: When filing a new SPI case, it is vital that the case is filed under the name of the alleged MASTER account, rather than the suspected new sock. This ensures that we can track repeat offenders effectively. Mayalld (talk) 19:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion appreciated

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Thanks Skäpperöd--Jacurek (talk) 14:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Administrative division of Nazi Germany

Comments and edits appreciated. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Kidnapping of Polish Children

FYI the issue was reopened by two persons today, lets see what happens regards.--Woogie10w (talk) 22:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:AN/I thread

No, problem. Yes, to bring the same case to the AE, wouldn't be good idea. User Woogie10w, promised not to make similar comments, which you listed. At this point, I keen to trust his word.

On other had, I was accused of "flaming and battleground creation" by one individual, but nothing new on that. On my part I suggest to stick to the formula, which was outline by Arbitration committee: Wikipedia works by building consensus through the use of polite discussion – involving the wider community, if necessary – and dispute resolution, rather than through disruptive editing. Editors are each responsible for noticing when a debate is escalating into an edit war, and for helping the debate move to better approaches by discussing their differences rationally.. Cheers, M.K. (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Peterlewis

Dear Skäpperöd,

You have named Peterlewis in the Molobo's sockpuppet case. But, there is no evidence against him. I think his name should be removed from the case. AdjustShift (talk) 16:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied. AdjustShift (talk) 04:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Police

Splitting up the history into "German town", "Polish and Soviet town" etc. is simply original research. A clean up tag does not mean that the usual rules on OR and POV are suspended.radek (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you have sources which refer to it as "Polish and Soviet town"?radek (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring at Kołobrzeg

I've filed a 3RR vio report [3], particularly since you've been unwilling to discuss any of the massive changes you're trying to implement in the article.radek (talk) 15:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Your Help is Needed

Hi Petra, could you please take a look at the article Ostsiedlung, it needs the attention of an expert on the German Middle Ages--170.170.59.138 (talk) 17:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Skäpperöd,

Good to see you saved from a little block that could have happened. I just want to say few words here if I can. You are a good editor in my opinion and I enjoyed working with you in the past but please be more understanding while editing Poland related articles especially about history, territorial changes etc. Polish editors are soooo sensitive to those subjects especially when German editor is editing. They are not anti-German or anything like that, they are just historically sensitive. 20th century history of Poland was very tragic and Nazi Germany was a key contributor to this tragedy. This is why you may often find objections from Polish editors while editing with a German point of view but if you tone back that POV just a little there will be no problems, I know that. I'm sure you understand...Looking forward working with you in the future.--Jacurek (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I also hope that you will be able to mend fences with the other editors, including myself. Jörg Jarnut, Peter Johanek, Die Frühgeschichte der europäischen Stadt im 11. Jahrhundert, Köln-Weimar-Wien 1998 is available here in the New York Public Library. I plan to read it when I get away from my work. I have a keen interest in the history of Prussia since my ancestors came from this region. Looking forward working with you in the future Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange edit summary

What exactly did you mean by "You neither live there nor do you know about the subject, please at least be polite."? and whom where you referring to? How do you know?radek (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Duchy of Słupsk/Stolp

I disagree. The entity may not be a real duchy, but it is notable: [4], [5], [6], particularly in Polish historiography: [7]. See also German works on Fürstentum Stolp and Herzogtum Stolp (I'd like to know what is a Fürstentum and how it differs from Herzogtum?). I would support including your arguments on how this Duchy was not really a duchy in the article, perhaps even renaming it if we can find a better name. But I think the article is notable and I suggest to continue this discussion on article's talk. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Danzig pronounciation

Olessi has not been active on wikipedia since September 2008, but from our past cooperations I still have his talk page watchlisted and might be able to answer your question.

The suffix "-ig" as in Danzig is pronounced differently in German. Standard High German requires it to be pronounced the way it is in the .ogg file, i.e. "-ig" as it is spelled. And there are many people actually pronouncing it this way. On the other hand, in the colloquial German of the North, an "-ig" suffix is often pronounced "-ich" just as you said. In the South, the "-ig" suffix is pronounced more like "-ish", in the Southeast the "i" is even dropped entirely so you get only a "-sh". But there are also regions where it is pronounced "-ig" in colloquial use also. Regards Skäpperöd (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the clarification. This raises two further questions:

1. The IPA pronunciation at the Gdańsk article doesn't match the recording: it has Danzig as [ˈdantsɪç] ("-ich"), not [ˈdantsɪɡ] ("-ig"). Which one should be used at the recording and the article? that depends on:
2. What do the actual German inhabitants of Gdansk/Danzig actually say? One would expect colloquial North German (and very brief Internet research seems to confirm this: see this Nazi propaganda film, "Danzig" is pronounced at 1:02) but can this be confirmed?

Perhaps I'll ask on the article talk page. Thanks a lot though. --Wikiacc (¶) 16:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

German article

Dear Skäpperöd,

I'm working on a bio of a German politician. Can you help me with translation? AdjustShift (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Wait for 5 minutes. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 14:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I've started the bio of Gerhard Jahn. Here are German links:[8][9][10]. AdjustShift (talk) 14:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you develop the bio using the German links? It may qualify for DYK. AdjustShift (talk) 14:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK = Wikipedia:Did you know. AdjustShift (talk) 14:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you translate this source? You also inserted:

Jahn was founding chairman of the German-Israeli Society (Deutsch-Israelische Gesellschaft) in 1966, and president of the German Lessee Union (Deutscher Mieterbund) from 1979 to 1995.

In which source the info is given? AdjustShift (talk) 14:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Is his full name Geburtstag Gerhard Jahn? See [11]. AdjustShift (talk) 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Haha. AdjustShift (talk) 17:15, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Translate: Ergebnis der Suche nach. AdjustShift (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

What is this website about? AdjustShift (talk) 17:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

According to de.wikipedia, it is "Literature by and about Gerhard Jahn".[12] I figured that out with the help of Google translator. AdjustShift (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

File:800px-Kriek Beer.jpg

A glass of beer for you. Enjoy!

What should be the title for this? This is a source for the sentense: Jahn was founding chairman of the German-Israeli Society (Deutsch-Israelische Gesellschaft) in 1966. The title I have inserted is "Die Geschichte Der Deutsch-Israelische Gesellschaft". Is that ok? AdjustShift (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

See "References" and "External links". Are the titles ok? Is "Literature by and about Gerhard Jahn" ok? AdjustShift (talk) 17:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Translate: 1) DIE GESCHICHTE DER DEUTSCH-ISRAELISCHEN GESELLSCHAFT 2) Gründung

I'm asking you to translate too many words. Here is a glass of beer for you. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't have any question. I think we've built a soild biography today. I'll nominate it for DYK. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear Skäpperöd, it is needless to add refs after every line in a paragraph, when the entire paragraph is supported by one ref. In this case, the two statements are supported by one ref. So, there is no need to add two refs. AdjustShift (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Img caption Polish Corridor

Hi Skäpperöd, I replied on the page talk. Thanks--Jacurek (talk) 03:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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My new project

Hi, I am rewritting the article Emigration of Germans from Poland in the 20th century. I remember our cooperation during the changes in the Recovered territories article an so I would like to ask you for your help and advise in this new project of mine. Becouse this is quite a controversial topic I think that a Polish-German cooperation is extremly important here. Also my English is not as good as yours so I would like to ask you for your help in this field. Best wishes Opole.pl (talk) 15:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. If anyone else is interested in modifying this article than of course you schould ask them to participate. In my opinion it schould be a kind of a "merging point" for all articles concerning emigration and expulsion of people (regardless of their nationality) from Poland to Germany after World War II. Right now we have a good artcle concerning the flight/expulsion matters but other periods are not covered.

We also need to remember that all those emigrations/expulsions are connected to WWII. The expulsion is a direct result of it. Merging of families is a result of the expulsions. The emigration of Poles is a result of the new political system that was imposed on Poland after WWII. That's why I decided to change the title so it would refer directly to the war and also so it would avoid the name of a particular nationality becouse there were also Poles, Silesians and Masurians who emigrated and not only Germans.

I will finish the most important edits today so you will be able to check and/or modify them. You can copy this opinion of mine to the talk pages you told me about. Opole.pl (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the version on which we can work. There are sourced numbers of emigrants, and the background of their emigration is described. Unfortunatelly I dont have the work of Andrzej Sakson about the emigration to Germany but I will try to get next week. If you could now read all that and see if it makes sense to you.

Best wishes Opole.pl (talk) 19:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. Now we have another good artcle on Wikipdia. All the best Opole.pl (talk) 11:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Rugen

You may find this of interest.

Evakuierte, Flüchtlinge und Vertriebene in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 1945 bis 1961 am Beispiel der Insel Rügen / von Martin Holz. Imprint Schwerin : Helms ; Mecklenburg-Vorpommern : Landeszentrale für Politische Bildung, 2004. --Woogie10w (talk) 12:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Expulsion of Germans / Warsaw

I saw it, that was a good idea. Thanks Skäpperöd--Jacurek (talk) 05:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Here is the text-[13]--[[ I read the speech, there is nothing in the text concerning the Expulsion of the Germans after WW2. --Woogie10w (talk) 15:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)--

DYK for Gerhard Jahn

On July 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gerhard Jahn, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject:Did you know 20:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Johann Friedrich, Duke of Pomerania

Dear Skäpperöd, the bio of Johann Friedrich, Duke of Pomerania needs some work. After working on it, you can nominate it for DYK. If you face any problem, please ping me on my talk page. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

When was Johann Friedrich born? And when did he died? AdjustShift (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You can analyze this source. AdjustShift (talk) 17:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

• "Johann Friedrich was Duke of Pomerania from 1560/67 to 1600." Why did you inserted 1560/67? He was Duke of Pomerania from 1560 to 1600. The source also says "He was JOHANN FRIEDRICH I Duke of Pomerania". AdjustShift (talk) 17:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear Skäpperöd, I've erased some sentences from the lead section. The lead section of a biography shouldn't say everything about the subject. It is also better to simply say "Johann Friedrich was Duke of Pomerania from 1560 to 1600, and Bishop of Cammin from 1556 to 1574." AdjustShift (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• I've listed some problems below.
  • The "Early life" section says that "When his father died on 14 February 1560, Johann Friedrich was still a minor under the tutelage of his great-uncle, Barnim XI." The section doesn't specifically say that Johann became Duke of Pomerania in 1560.
  • The "Duke of Pomerania and bishop of Cammin" section says that "After his return in 1567, he took on his position as the bishop of Cammin and also his position as the duke of Pomerania, which he provisionally shared with his brother, Bogislaw XIII." His return? Before 1567, he was somewhere else?
• Some other things also have to be ameliorated before nominating the bio for DYK. AdjustShift (talk) 14:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• The bio should mention that he was in Vienna before 1567. It should also mention that he became duke in 1560. Yes, he remained under tutelage of his great-uncle until 1567, but he became duke in 1560. AdjustShift (talk) 16:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:AE

Dear Skäpperöd, I think you shouldn't have gone to WP:AE. I've asked Sandstein to not to take any action against you.[14] When you are in a content dispute, you should try to resolve the issue on the talk pages rather than rush to WP:AE. Please try to reach a consensus, and if you face any trouble, you can ping me on my talk page. AdjustShift (talk) 20:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Fritz Neumayer

Dear Skäpperöd, I've started a stub on Fritz Neumayer. He was a German politician. Can you help me with translation? Here is a link: [15]. German Wikipedia has a nice article on him. See [16]. But, source is lacking on de.wikipedia. You can use Google to find sources.[17]

I asked Sciurinæ, but he is not very active these days. If you can translate, and developed the bio, it may qualify for the Did you know. AdjustShift (talk) 12:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Warning not to file unfounded arbitration enforcement requests

Skäpperöd, the result of your arbitration enforcement request at [18] is that I am warning you that arbitration enforcement is not substitute for, or part of, proper dispute resolution, and that you may face sanctions if you file more unfounded enforcement requests. The next time you are in a situation like this, please pursue dispute resolution instead of coming to AE.  Sandstein  16:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)