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Green Museum Messages

Hello! Thanks for working with our class! Cdl32 (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem, I look forward to our many discussions! Worm^TT · (talk) 01:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

date fiddled to prevent archiving Worm^TT · (talk) 01:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello Dave, just testing. Thanks for helping the class. Mostly I believe they will add sections to TGM but I defer to you and we will adjust project goals as necessary. Greenmuseum (talk) 19:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discusions with Anna Simmons

Hello Mr. Worm That Turned!

My name is Anna Simmons, and I am very excited to work with you on the Green Museum Wikipedia project. For my wiki contribution, I would like to discuss what museums are doing with their outdoor spaces to be more green. Most museums have some sort of landscaping or outdoor space for their visitors. Many institutions are using this space as a place to teach about storm water runoff, water savings, re-use of materials, and the importance of native plants. I could discuss several specific case studies that are mentioned in the literature we have been reading for our class. I look forward to your hearing your thoughts. Amsimm (talk) 23:56, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Good morning Anna! That sounds like a very interesting piece of work, and I'm sure it could be made a good addition to the encyclopedia too. There's a few ways you could handle it, by writing to the general case, the general case for a country or about specific cases.

• If you were to write about the general case - possibly an article on say, Outdoor spaces at museums, you should have the largest amount of information available to pull together for an article. It would be worth remembering that the article would have to be written from an international point of view, which may be difficult.
• Perhaps this means writing about a more specific area - Outdoor spaces at USA museums - would be a better idea. It could give the article focus.
• More specifically would be to add a little information to lots of museum articles, a section on their outdoor space, culminating in a List of outdoor spaces at museums, which could have a few paragraphs at the top, and links to all the museums you've investigated. This would probably be the most precise method, but lists are often forgotten at wikipedia - they don't have the same prestige

Whichever route you choose, it will be important to remember that everything on wikipedia needs to be verifiable. This means that any new information cannot be put directly on to wikipedia - everything has to come from outside sources. Unfortunately, that can mean that comments like "Many institutions are using this space..." would need some sort of citation to back it up. What constitutes "many" for example?

I'll let you have a little think about what you'd like to achieve from wikipedia - do let me know if you have any more questions, would like some clarification or indeed would like to know how to get started! Worm^TT · (talk) 01:56, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Your words of advice are very helpful! Now that you know a little more about our specific assignment (i.e. each student is to contribute to the already existing Green Museum Wiki pages), do you think I should still choose one of your 3 approaches listed above? I like the larger scope of - Outdoor Spaces at Museums - you mentioned, but I realize that opens the doors to researching international museums as well as museums in the United States. I am interested in outdoor and landscaped spaces for a variety of reasons... 1)They contribute to healthy water systems 2)Beautify the museum footprint 3)Provide a space for outdoor/environmental education and 4)Inspire community involvement. Now... I realize this list may appear to be my personal opinion, and I would have to provide verifiable resources to back them. In my article contribution, I would like to discuss a new "green" landscape certification system created by the U.S. Botanic Garden, Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center and the University of Texas at Austin, called - Landscapes for Life -. The idea behind Landscapes for Life is similar to the USBC's LEED Certification system, but designed for Landscapes instead of building structures. What do you think about all of this? As soon as I hear from you, I'm ready to get started :) 75.103.224.2 (talk) 23:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's really up to you - if one solution appeals to you more, then that would be the best to go for. Remember, that there is no deadline, if you want to write the larger scoped article, you can always add international bits at a later date. It may be that someone marks the article as needing expansion in the international areas - but it's unlikely to be lost for being too centered on one area.

Or you could possibily write an article on Landscapes for Life, that's also a great topic, assuming that the certification system has sufficient reliable sources discussing it. I'd probably suggest starting something in a sandbox (say User:Amsimm/Outdoor spaces at museums or User:Amsimm/Landscapes for Life?) and get a feel for writing a wikipedia article. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with JcMusEd

Green Museum Topic Choices

Hi Dave, I am a student in the George Washington University's Green Museum class. I am hoping to add to the Green Museum wiki page with information on the Toledo Zoo's use of solar and wind power. Do you see any potential problems with this topic?

Thanks,

JcMusEd (talk) 03:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)JCMusEd

Hi JcMusEd. I've moved your question down here, so all the discussions for Green Museum are together. Sounds like an interesting topic and I can't see any major pitfalls with adding the information to Wikipedia. The only question is "where" the information should go. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that the use of solar and wind power by a single zoo will be sufficiently notable to create a new wikipedia article - but I would suggest expanding the section on Toledo Zoo#Conserveration Efforts or creating a new section in that page. Let me know if you've got any further questions. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Further to the comments below - I think discussing Toledo Zoo's specific use on the the green museum page may cause a bit of difficulty, it would be better if you could write on a more general topic. Perhaps museum renewable energy sources in general? Worm^TT · (talk) 10:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with Aebeisch

Green Museum Topic Choice

Hi Dave, I am also a student in GWU's Green Museum course. We are actually just adding to the Green Museum page not making an entirely new wiki page. I just thought I would clarify your conversation with JcMusEd. I wanted to add to the education section of the Green Museum page with Disney's Animal Kingdom Conservation Education best practices. Do you foresee any issue with that? If you do, I could also just do best practices in general regarding education- Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aebeisch (talk • contribs) 21:48, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much for clarifying that. The other courses I've worked on focussed on the students creating new articles, rather than updating existing ones. However, if the article is about green museums in general, you may find that adding specific information about Disney may be too specific. Unless you can show that it was particularly significant in the field of green museums. On the flip side, adding green museum information the Disney's Animal Kingdom page would make sense. It may be better to write about best practices in general. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with Dani2424

Hello Dave, I am also in GWU's Green Museum course. New to Wikipedia, I'm just testing out the talk page...making sure I know what to do before writing a long message about my contribution to the Green Museum page. I am planning to add a "green exhibits" section. Does that topic seem too broad? Thanks & have a great day! Dani2424 (talk) 10:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dani, and welcome to my talk page, make yourself at home :) Now that I have a better understanding of what you're trying to do, I think a green exhibits section sounds just about right for a green museum page. Don't forget you'd be writing about a general topic, and whilst you can mention specifics, you need to keep the section broad. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with Ezafiris

Hello Dave, I'm another student in the Green Museum class. My plan for the Green Museum page is to expand on the History section of the page by giving a time line of the Green Museum movement- which museums were the leaders in greening their institutions, who else is considered green, and listing some specific institutions that are innovators in the field. I would love to hear your thoughts! Ezafiris (talk) 23:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ezafiris, apologies in the delay in replying, I'm quite slow sometimes - sorry! I just want to say that expanding the History section of the Green Museum movement would be an exceptionally good idea and would add terrific encyclopedic value. If you can find reliable sources which state who is leading the field and so on, that sounds like a great way to expand the article Worm^TT · (talk) 10:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Great, and no worries about a delay. I'll keep in mind the need for reliable sources in stating the leaders in the field of Green Museums Ezafiris (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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Colofac

Thread has been brought back on ANI. How do you feel about mentoring this guy? Have mörser, will travel (talk) 07:23, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Replied on ANI why it might be a bad idea. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Question

What is the equivalent of a restraining order on Wikipedia? Thanks Jenova20 10:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

There are interaction bans - why do you ask? Worm^TT · (talk) 10:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Just wondering...Would rather know before having to use it as i foresee an edit war and a lot of personal attacks in the coming days...

Is that through Admin?

Thanks Jenova20 11:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Are you foreseeing them regarding a certain article you're developing? I can see what you mean. Unfortunately, chances are, they'll come from IP addresses and newly created accounts - so you won't be able to create an interaction ban on them - only if it's with a particular editor. Generally, they're not not encouraged - but you're welcome to request any editor stays off your talk page, that might help if things start to flare up. Another editor I've help struggles because he created an article on Zyzz, a 4chan target. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually it's an existing editor who is still stalking me and i am currently anticipating trouble from.

Anonymous users won't to be too much of a problem i think.

Just another who posts inflammatory statements to try and get my goat and tries to involve himself in everything i do.

Thanks Jenova20 14:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to Zyzz, enjoying it very much =P Jenova20 14:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Why is the connection with Zyzz and 4chan? There is nothing mentioned in the article or talk page that i see to connect them. Thanks Jenova20 15:04, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I could be wrong, it was just in the back of my head that there was a link there. And a quick search on Google confirms. It's not mentioned anywhere on WP though, I think it may have been mentioned in one of the deleted versions. The article had been deleted a number of times before MelbourneStar created it. As for the editor who's hounding you (stalk is a bad word, real world stalking is much more serious than someone snooping at your edits) - read WP:WIKIHOUND and keep me in the loop. Worm^TT · (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Reading through it is most definitely WP:WIKIHOUNDing and often also enters the "Perceived legal threats" area.

Do i ignore this until it gets worse or do something about it as and when it happens?

Thanks Jenova20 15:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm concerned if it's entering "perceived legal threats", can you pass me a link? Or perhaps email me full details? Worm^TT · (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Well thankfully it hasn't reached that stage this time (yet) but i'll email a link if you want to just look at it from an acting in bad faith Point Of View or a precursor to more hounding.

Thanks Jenova20 15:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Reporting on behalf of another editor

Hey there WTT , hope you are well; Noticed your last edit was a few minutes ago so i might as well ask you; would i be allowed to report on behalf of another editor to the ANI?

This guy , User talk:Barts1a seems to have hit some heavy weather and i feel sorry for him and apparently he has been revoked from editing the ANI boards so i'd thought i would report his case for him (see his talk for details) However , another editor (whom ive never spoken to before) posted on my talk page that it wasnt a good idea and now i have cold feet; what should i do? User:Goldblooded ^{(Talk/Discuss)(Complain)} 13:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

If he has been revoked from editing the ANI boards, there's probably a good reason for it. I recognise the name, but I don't know why. I'd suggest you don't post anything to ANI, but I'll have a look and see if theres any comments I can make. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I was one of a group of people that mentored Barts1a at one point. He wanted to get involved by reporting people at noticeboards, reverting and warning, tagging articles for deletion and all that stuff. Trouble was, he got a bit carried away, got very impatient, and shouted at everyone, and he was really bad at identifying what should be CSD'd from what doesn't. He made a request to have his restrictions lifted a few months ago - unfortunately, at the same time, he took exception to some IPs edits (that weren't very helpful, even though they were made in reasonably good faith), reverted him multiple times, rained fire and brimstone on the IPs talkpage and - when it was pointed out that this was exactly the problem - rained fire and brimstone down on ANI. If he could find something to do that didn't involve reverting or warning, he'd probably have a much better editing experience, but at the moment he is very down because he can't report anybody to the noticeboards, and he can't think of much else to do. He's just made a huge spectacle over Off2riorob and some edit or other - he though Rob was an Arb - so this isn't the best time to try to get his restrictions lifted anyway. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that background Elen. I'd actually left a message at Goldblooded's talk page, suggesting something similar, but I'll direct him here regarding this too. Worm^TT · (talk) 15:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Read your message on my talk and ill take that into account, ill let him know and pass on your advice; while its obvious hes over reacting i feel somewhat sad that hes retiring over this rather petty matter in a way he reminds me of myself when i was new; taking things way too seriously, and also its a shame since hes been on Wikipedia for over 5 years - you'd think he would know better. But again thanks WTT for your advice ill let him know :) User:Goldblooded ^{(Talk/Discuss)(Complain)} 15:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, users come and go regularly - it may be the end, and it may not. Wikipedia is addictive, and even if he says he's quit, he may still be back. It's better that you do what you feel is right than you spend your time trying to rescue others. Worm^TT · (talk) 15:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Question about adoption?

Hi Dave, I wanted to know whether you are still running your adoption school or not, because I'm interested in joining, if you don't mind.

Thanks, B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuchsiab (talk • contribs) 14:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi B. I am indeed running my adoption school. I need to spend some time getting it going again for someone else, so I'll create one for you too :D Worm^TT · (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with it taking some time -- I'm having exams right now, so I won't be able to start till the first week of November. Is that OK? And thanks for the links you posted on my talk page -- I'll check them out now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuchsiab (talk • contribs) 14:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Take as much time as you like, I'm always around :) Oh and try to remember to sign your posts using four tildas, ~~~~. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Dave. I will make sure to sign my posts. B (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Colofac

If this is about Colofac‎: If he gets unblocked, I would be happy to assist him in making some blue links out of these: Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey Anna. I've not seen anything that links Colofac to Fuchsiab. As far as I'm concerned, B is a new editor. I am however willing to help Colofac, as I mentioned on his talk page - and would appreciate your help if he's interested in that area. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. I'm watching Dexter's Lab and editing at the same time. I saw this, and then scanned the last post at this page. Pardon.

Anyway, in your role as mentor/adopter, you can always consider suggesting a happy trio of an editor in need, me, and the species redlink page I mentioned. We could make lovely articles together. Nice froggies, butterflies, etc. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

If he's interested, then I am. What's more, I've been asked by mentees about what articles they should create in the past. I'll keep you in mind :D Worm^TT · (talk) 15:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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LOL! I just told Zach I hadn't decided yet when you posted that LOL! I'm gonna leave it redirect for now and get back into the swing of things on here and then decide. JamesAlan1986 10:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Sven Manguard#Dispatches This might need an intervention. I don't know what's going on, I know I've talked to the user once before. But when someone writes "GET OFF MY PAGE" I don't think that's a good thing. JamesAlan1986 11:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps - I'm not a universal peacekeeper though. Sven is trying to remove people from his page that are discussing something at length that does not involve him. I'm not too worried at the moment, as they're all experienced editors who can ask for help if they need it. Worm^TT · (talk) 12:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, well I'm off for now. I don't why I just got up but I'm exhausted already. Thinking I'm gonna take a nap. Take it easy. JamesAlan1986 13:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Just found this. Err... thanks, I guess. Incidentally ResMar and I are doing fine now. I didn't ask, but SandyGeorgia and I are probably fine now too. Meh. These things happen. Sven Manguard Wha? 10:53, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Hi, is there a tag i can use to label unreliable and reliable sources? I only know {{citation needed}}. Thanks in advance Jenova20 12:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

{{rs}} perhaps? Worm^TT · (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Fab!

Thanks Dave Jenova20 13:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Welcome to the club Dave Jenova20 09:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

That Jobs guy is not gonna be happy about this. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Lol - I knew you'd be happy, Jenova. I'm Switzerland here I'm afraid, I just need to install Linux somewhere and I'll have access to every major operating system on the market :D Worm^TT · (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I wonder if I can get Adwiii to make me a userbox which has a moving icon, saying "this user contributes with Android, and Windows, and iOS, and Linux, and MacOS, and ..." Worm^TT · (talk) 09:33, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with apple, i just don't like their business practices.

Windows appear to be adopting the same ones lately though unfortunately.

I have also just asked Adwii if he could make me Android userboxes customised to Gingerbread, Honeycomb and Ice Cream Sandwich because i'm that big of a nerd lol

Thanks Jenova20 09:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Large corporations are always going to make decisions that make them more money. It always comes down to the bottom line. Take the chaps from Innocent smoothies. Their brand was based on ethics and proper ingredients and so on and so forth. The moment that the brand was established well enough it was bought by The Coca-Cola Company. It's all about money in the end. So, you have the choice of going and sitting in a tent in front of St. Paul's Cathedral or accepting that as reality and buying the best product for you. I quite like what I'm seeing so far from the Archos 101, especially the price tag.Worm^TT · (talk) 09:52, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Cool, i hope that does it for ya!

I only just noticed it's a tablet lol. I have a Motorola Xoom and i find it can't edit Wikipedia because i can't scroll down far enough when editing.

Strange since my phones is the same...

And i did like innocent smoothies but i can't justify the price when Asda's own brand taste almost as good and are a quarter of the price...

Thanks Jenova20 11:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I think it's 2.1 at the moment, but it's just asked me to update the firmware. I'll let you know when I've done that. (I assume going from say 2.1 to 2.3 would require a fresh install, and 2.1 is still supported and being updated? Silly way of doing it if you ask me.) It's not actually a phone, it's an internet tablet, which focusses on media playing (Archos' speciallity), with a phone OS, odd really. Oh and I need a symbian phone and a blackberry to complete my collection too... Worm^TT · (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

And on the tablet - I have exactly the same problem. I mentioned it in the mobile user's survey recently - might be worth mentioning somewhere... bugzilla I think...Worm^TT · (talk) 11:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

It's a strange bug and stops me editing a lot of the time on WP after work.

Your tablet does sound weird, especially since it doesn't even have a tablet OS (3.0 >)

Mines a Motorola Xoom 3.1 and has an SD Card slot that doesn't actually work until my next update lol!

Am happpy they have announced i will get the 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich update though, it sounds amazing from the Android.com site.

Thanks Jenova20 12:08, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

It has hardware that doesn't work because the software is behind? Madness! Anyway, I picked up the tablet from HMV for £130, which seemed very reasonable. I really don't need a tablet, so it's an indulgence and I wasn't happy with spending £500+ on an iPad or even £300 odd on an android tablet. As I say, it all comes down to money :)

I just need to spend a little time now getting used to android and playing with all the features. I'm really looking forward to it, but there's so much I want to do with it! I haven't plugged it into my mac yet, I wonder if one or t'other will explode Worm^TT · (talk) 12:14, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I can't complain. Even without a working SD slot i still have 32GB and it has all my music and pictures without actually having used any storage space yet =P

MSpot Music can sync up your music without using storage space so you can play it on the tablet or phone when your computer is off, and Picasa can store your images and sync them between devices if you have an internet connection.

Again since this is not a tablet OS you have one or more of these may not be fully compatible.

I suppose you can't complain for what you paid?? =P

Thanks fellow nerdling Jenova20 12:32, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

With dropbox, bluetooth, Wifi and Gmail i don't really need the SD Card slot anyway, it would just be nice if it worked Jenova20 12:33, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to spend a little time trying to work out what I can and can't do. If there's too much I can't do, I understand that I can install Ångström linux... and I think that will open more doors but close others. Like you say, I'm not going to complain at that price. Since it wasn't expensive I won't complain terribly about fiddling with it, maybe jailbreaking or installing a different OS... I wonder if I can download iOS and force that on there, lol! Worm^TT · (talk) 12:38, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I remember seeing lots of modifications - even to dualboot some tablets with Android and Windows 7...never seen one for iOS though.

You could look into cyanogen mods if you really want to jailbreak it, i hear they've done extroadinary things with some android devices (including dualbooting and installing Windows)

Let me know what monstrosity you create with your Arcos if you go ahead with that =] Jenova20 12:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Keep in mind when you update your Arcos it will wipe the memory and leave only what you have saved on your SD Card (if it has one).

Good luck with that though, the update from 2.1 to 2.3 is terrific and i have it myself on my Xperia X10.

Enjoy Jenova20 16:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Sort of related - Template:Did you know nominations/Google Android lawn statues --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Cool article, the picture is out of date though.

Thanks for that, it was interesting to read Jenova20 09:01, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I've since added a bit to the main article, just a little because it's only a small article.

Thanks Jenova20 09:24, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Block?

Just a quick note to say I have made a few changes to User:Rcsprinter123/Peameal bacon, so if I put that live now would you still block me (to stop anyone else getting there first) over paraphrasing and things? Just popped by to ask as I think it's just about ready now. Rcsprinter (talk to me) 11:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I would - there are still large sections which have similar sentance structure to the source, sometimes written in an unencyclopedic manner. If you want to write an article on peameal bacon, I suggest you blank the page (except maybe the info box) and start from scratch. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:08, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

If it helps, I'll blank it for you then delete all the previous revisions, to FORCE you to do it. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

No, please don't; I'm working on it! Rcsprinter (talkin' to me?) 11:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Then work on it throughly. I expect to see every section looking completely different. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:Adoption

I'm actually checking it now and reading it. I actually just finished reading it but I'm re-reading it. JamesAlan1986 13:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not gonna be able to do anymore editing till the 29th as I'm not gonna be home. I'm going to my hometown to be with my brother while he's in surgery. I'll be back late on the 28th but I probably won't get back on till the 29th. I just wanted to let you know what's going on. Talk to you on the 29th. JamesAlan1986 18:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

New page patrolling

Hi Worm,

I'm here to ask a bit about new page patrolling.

1. What kind of article would qualify for A7? I'm confused on that part whether it would be notable or not
2. Does Spire Federal Credit Union look okay now? It was previously tagged as {{db-g11}} and was a copyvio; I rewrote it and added slightly-reliable sources.

By the way, 1906 Pensacola hurricane passed GA yesterday, which leaves only one article to go to good topic status! :) HurricaneFan25 15:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The best person to ask about NPP is User:Kudpung, who spends a lot of time on it. As for A7, have a read of User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Deletion which explains a bit there. I'll check out the articles as soon as I can :) Worm^TT · (talk) 16:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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My brother

Hey, my brother's doing fine, he pulled out an hour after they finished the surgery. My mom kept saying "Of course he'd make a liar out of me." and I told her "Would you rather he pulled out faster then you thought or not at all?" but he's fine. I'm so glad. It was hard to see him in the hospital though all prepped for surgery. When my mom and my sister went out to go talk, I was talking to him and I told him how much I loved him and that I had worried about him all month and he took his good and and literally went and grabbed mine and held it. I almost cried. You see my brother is mentally 2 years old due to what my dad beating him in the head when he's 18 months old and so he's brain dead on the right side. So he's left side is completely paralyzed. But I wouldn't trade him for the world. That moment was the greatest I'd ever had with him. He was trying to comfort me. He even told me he was nervous. I am so happy he pulled out. But I'd thought I'd let you know he pulled out and he's doing good. I just heard from my mom and the group home that takes care told her he's doing good. JamesAlan1986 12:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to hear about your brother's ordeal, even with the good outcome from surgery. You must be such a comfort and strength for him and your mom. Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 04:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I wholly echo the sentiments of KW's post and I'm really glad to hear that things have gone well with the surgery. Remember to take care of yourself and family first and you shouldn't go too far wrong in this world. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Idiot's guide to IRC?

Hi David,

If the drafting happens at IRC, then would you or TParis post an idiot's guide to finding it? (Like an internet address. I installed a Mozilla IRC client.)

Thanks,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 04:11, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Events overtaken this post - but let me know if you ever want an introduction to IRC which isn't covered at WP:IRC. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Test

Hey Worm!

I'm ready to do my test! when you're ready, could you hand me the test so I can do it? ;) then again, you can take as looooooong as you want to, since I have a habbit of taking ages to complete something that is perhaps so easy :| What's even more hilarious, is that I want to run for administration in a year's time - huh who am I kidding? probably take me a decade to do a simple task ;) I'll try complete the copyright section of the test today, and not sometime in 2012, as you may think I'm heading at :P Thank you! -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 04:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm ready for my test too. JamesAlan1986 04:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Really sorry to hear about the terrible ordeal your brother and, well your whole family have gone through, James. Having been in a simmilar position, it's always difficult to have someone close to you undergo surgery, whether it be minor surgery or major. Hope all is back on track for you and your family, always stay positive, and although we haven't really met properly, you talk to me whenever you like, I'm all ears. -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 04:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

MelbourneStar - your test is ready and waiting here. Ricky, your test is ready and waiting here. Both, you don't need to leave me a message here - that's what your classroom is for! I've got it watchlisted, so I shouldn't miss it. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

• Talkpage lurker here. Ricky, glad to hear your brother made it OK through the surgery, I do know what it's like (my own kids have had surgeries following accidents), but you had the added worry of your brother's underlying health problems. Hope everything goes good now.
• MelbourneStar, well done with the test (hope you don't mind me sneaking a peek) - copyright's a tricky area, it's good to take a cautious approach, and I wish more teachers would explain about copy/paste the way yours does. Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
• Elen of the Roads: Thanks. I'm glad too. It was a big worry that was for sure.
• Worm: Got it. JamesAlan1986 15:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Sword of Good Faith

Hi Worm^TT,

You may have already gathered that I'm not really into barnstars and Wikipedia's praise economy. However, when I am particularly struck by the decency and humanity of an editor's actions in the face of stressful conflict, I feel compelled to disregard my aversion. On such occasions, I turn to the Sword of Good Faith, which I believe has an honorable history in representing the rare ability to rise above the fray, and appreciate that at the other end of the optical cables, there is another human being. Throughout the KW RfC, you have behaved with great personal integrity. I was saddened to receive the email that you posted here, but impressed that the very next day you turned to reconciliation. Such fortitude in staying true to the purpose of Wikipedia in the face of adversity is precisely what the Sword of Good Faith recognises and it is a pleasure for me to express that recognition here. Geometry guy 00:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Geometry guy for the kind words. Personal messages in such difficult situations are worth more than many people will realise, though I'm sure you understand their value. You have my gratitude. Worm^TT · (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user

Hello. I hope you are willing to adopt me. I am an experienced Wikipedia, but rather worried about the quality of my articles. To my opinion they are okay, but not everybody agrees with that. Problem is, that I do not see what the problem is due to the fact that English is not my first language. Main fields of work now: Michelin starred restaurants and chefs (Ireland done, the Netherlands in progress), places/antiquities/tourist attractions in County Clare (ongoing), traditional singers and musicians of County Clare (recently started). By now I have 101 articles completed, you can find them on my userpage. Hope to hear soon! Night of the Big Wind _talk 00:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

File:Leann-Rimes-Blue-140232.jpg

Is there anyway possible you can delete this? I had to revert the removal of the warning tags by another user. It's an orphaned image and it has no reliable source. I fear the person will come back and revert what I reverted and it's suppose to be deleted today anyway. JamesAlan1986 03:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Believe it or not, no. I should point out that the "other user" is an admin and has explained in the edit summaries why he's removed the tags. Basically, although record covers are usually covered, there's nothing there that is actually covered - it's just text and generic shapes, therefore there is not sufficient creativity to be copyrighted. It's an odd situation, but there you go. In future, do have a look at what the other editor says in the edit summaries - you may be wrong - and reverting over and over is never a good idea. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Well it got tagged again by a bot as an orphaned photo because it's not being used it has no reason to be on Wikipedia does it? JamesAlan1986 17:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit Warring between projects

Hi, how do we sort out edit wars between different projects? It appears a tad more complicated than random edit warring since both sides are using "valid" arguments and policies. Thanks Jenova20 12:54, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring is never the right way to sort things out, but if it's a mass bunfight - protect the page while it gets sorted out. Worm^TT · (talk) 12:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree, it's not...but there was edit warring on abortion articles from Wikiproject Conservatism and now they're doing it to others in the LGBT project and may also be behind tagging multiple Pink News sources as AFDs (confirmed now as someone connected to Conservatism Wikiproject).

Both parties claim a bias, both parties are edit warring.

So i just need to protect the page and encourage a discussion?

Thanks Jenova20 14:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

If there's a page which is the target of the edit war, yes, that's the best idea. Ask for it to be protected for a day or so to force discussion, maybe start an RfC (being as neutral as possible of course) if there is a specific issue. What pages are we talking about by the way? Worm^TT · (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the edits of the user in question - I don't see a massive issue. The tags he's put down seem reasonable, there's little or no information on those articles, so notability tags seem fine. The prod was wrong, and was removed quickly. The articles can be improved... WP:SOFIXIT! Worm^TT · (talk) 14:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Pray the Gay Away?

Thanks for clearing up the bit about the news sources.

I did say something on the project page about them being stubs.

Thanks Jenova20 14:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed you did, I think the project has the right idea in that they want to improve the articles. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:27, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Kiefer.Wolfowitz

[1]. So you are aware. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Elen. Worm^TT · (talk) 15:07, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

2011 WikiCup participation

Awarded to Worm That Turned, who reached round 2 in the 2011 WikiCup.

It was good to have you on board this time around- we hope you enjoyed the competition! In case you are interested, signups for next year are open. Thanks, J Milburn and The ed17 20:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Ely, Cambridgeshire

Hi. I (User:Senra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)) was browsing around and saw your name in this list. You were the only adopter who mentioned geography and admitted to living in the UK. 'Tag'. You are it! Actually I'm not looking to be adopted. Just looking for some guidance from a topic experienced editor. I am interested in taking Ely, Cambridgeshire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) through the full review process; to FA if I can eventually get it there.

• article improvement proposal on the talk page
• article submission to the request for feedback process

I have only had one FA (Little Thetford) which was an almost solo effort although I have contributed to other articles such as these and these. However, Ely has other editors, including IP's, so it will be more difficult (for me). Are you able to provide guidance? Perhaps by finding a suitable editor to give feedback? Perhaps help me to collaborate better, especially because of this entire page and this altercation but also my failed attempts at collaboration here, here and here :(? Any help or guidance would be appreciated. May the source be with you --Senra (Talk) 01:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm so close...

To:

• Being blocked.
• Retiring.
• Burying my head in the ground.

Yes, I'm once again officially in a stupid dispute, that is going knowhere. I'm stressed. I'm annoyed. I need a long break. An Ip, continues to remove content from an article, Big Brother Australia 2012 claiming that it's rumurs. The content has two sources. Two reliable ones. One source, for example, is owned by the network that is airing the show - when I mean network, one of Australia's top-3 television channels. I don't know how to say this, but I'm really, really, pissed off, and not ammused at all. At this IP, and frankly, myself.

Somehow, given to how many times this has happened, this will have me blocked, and lead to my immediate diminish here at Wikipedia.

Removal of Content. Sourced content. I have reverted a number of times, as I think it's vandalism. Yes there was an edit summary, and yes I had asked atleast 5 times to the IP to use the talk page, and not to remove the content without the community reponding. But no, keeps on persisting.

What do I do, Worm, what do I do?! this keeps happening, over and over, feel like I'm running around in circles. -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 09:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Well it looks like you already reached me first. -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 09:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I'd already protected the article before you posted this, and I'm annoyed with all three of you. Edit warring is not the solution. If you're pissed off, walk away, take a break for an hour. If you have a problem with an editor, use the dispute resolution techniques that are suggested by wikipedia. Don't fight, there's no point. Worm^TT · (talk) 09:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

3RR violation? Are you serious? S/he removed encyclopedic content, and kept on doing it, what was I supposed to do? S/he surpassed their 4th level warning and a 3RR. And please, suggest something other than walking away. That obviously doesn't seem to be working well. -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 10:08, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

How about... not reverting? Being the bigger man? There is no deadline, you could have waited for or gained consensus. This was not vandalism - it was a content dispute and therefore not exempt from edit warring. I gave all parties who violated 3RR a warning while you all deserved a block. As for other things you can do, a request for comment? Reporting it to WP:ANEW? Some other relevant board? A relevant wikiproject? Perhaps leaving a note on my page BEFORE it all went tits up? Yes, there were lots of different things you could have done and walking away isn't the only one. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

That's great. Really. ehhh just look at me now. Drowning in my own disastrous mess. And I want to become an Administrator? What a joke. What a complete and utter waste of thinking space - when reality is, If I ever were to become an Admin - I'd bloody block myself whilst I'm at it. I'm heading face-first down a slippery slope. Only a matter of time before someone ends this great experience for me. Everything is just going messy. The real world and the internet world for me is somehow crumbling down. I'm losing all the things I once believed in, and feel my time is just a waste.

Take a long glance at my contributions - and you will see. I have had so many disputes, it's unbelievable - with Vandals; Ips; newbies; established editiors; and my fair share of administrators! where am I going with this? I don't know. I'm starting to believe my own contributions are just plain vandalism!

That warning you've placed on my wall. I won't remove it. It's true. Well if it's coming from an established editor, it must be. As of now I refuse to call myself an established editor, I'm a long shot from it.

So, Dave, up to you, whenever at your own discretion, do what you've got to do. Entitled to it, with the rights. :)

"MelbourneStar was the one who seemed to act on impulse without examining the ordeal objectively before he/she acted." - good quote, deserves to be in a scrapbook. Couldn't have said it any better, myself. -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 10:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, you may not be ready to be an administrator right now, but that doesn't mean you won't ever be. Yes, you get in disputes, but that just means you're passionate about the topic. If you can keep your head and follow wikipedia's dispute resolution methods, there's no reason you can't do very well, especially if you're learning from each dispute. I think you'll find that the community is very forgiving of individuals who learn from their mistakes, I doubt you'll be removed from the community any time soon.

Do consider taking a short wikibreak, maybe for a week? It might well help. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:05, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

My reply is in a message I've just sent you. Eat something before you read it, it will make you tired. Speaking of tired, I am tired, better go to sleep. Wonderful school awaites me tommorow morning, Goodnight. -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 12:16, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I've read it, and will reply presently. Get yourself to sleep and read my reply in the morning. Rest is good :D Worm^TT · (talk) 12:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Big Brother 2012

I left a message on the TalkPage for you on that article for you but I just wanted to add that I did use the talk page and left an extremely valid reason for editing the article like I did. The other two either failed to read it or did not fully understand the guidelines that were clearly outlined there for them. I am relatively new here but almost every-time I made a change I left full comments on the TalkPage detailing my rational which the other two chose to ignore. In my eyes the guidelines clearly were in favor of my changes and further discussion, approval, or consensus was needed. MelbourneStar was the one who seemed to act on impulse without examining the ordeal objectively before he/she acted. 142.110.227.247 (talk) 10:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, you were all as bad as each other, all passing the 3RR bright line on a disagreement. Discussion is key and edit warring should not happen. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

This is Josh

This is Ricky's (JamesAlan1986's) boyfriend and I'm sorry but I don't blame him for it. It was not right and unfair for what they did. I saw everything and even I was offended by the comment and that's why he got upset. I'd appreciate it if you would respect what he ask and put a permanent block on his account. I don't want him on a site like that. I don't even like going to Wikipedia for information as half of it's false, untrue or base off personal opinions. That's why when I want to get information on say, Reba McEntire, I go to reba.com cause I don't trust Wikipedia to tell me anything. I'm sorry but that's my personal opinion and before you blow up on him maybe you should realize he has a reason for what he did. I'm sorry but will you please put a permanent block his account. He don't need that stuff. He's got enough with other people starting crap between him and his best friend. He sadly only gets on to help Wikipedia. He won't go on social networks due to the drama that people cause him and his friend. He felt safe on Wikipedia and he felt he was doing something good. He enjoyed it until that comment. And I'm sorry but it was offensive. But I just wanted you to see my point view too and understand I don't want him on here anymore. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --- Joshua Hayden