Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests
If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."
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Technical requests
Uncontroversial technical requests
- Middletown, Orange County, New York (currently a redirect to Middletown, New York) → Middletown, New York (move · discuss) – "Middletown, New York" is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (in terms of usage, it's more likely than any other); the other Middletowns either do not exist anymore or are much smaller. The current "Middletown, New York" disambiguation page should be moved to Middletown, New York (disambiguation). 199.172.169.17 (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sturges' Rule (currently a redirect to Sturges's rule) → Sturges' rule (currently a redirect instead to Sturges's rule) (move · discuss) – per MOSCAPS' guidance on theories etc. Primergrey (talk) 04:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- It should be Sturges's rule I think, per MOS:'S — Amakuru (talk) 06:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yun Gwan (currently a redirect to Yun Kwan) → Yun Kwan (move · discuss) – Per WP:NCKO, pre-1945 Koreans titled via McCune-Reischauer Romanization. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- @CountHacker WP:NCKO says to use go with the common usage in English sources. The two English sources in the article (Reuters and NYTimes) both use "Yoon Gwan". Of course, that said, Google ngrams doesn't even have data for anything other than Yun Kwan. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)- Did you try searching in Google Books? There are plenty of hits for Yun Kwan there. As seen here: [1], [2][3], [4], [5], [6]. WP:NCKO states that if there is an established common name, it should be used. However, in this case, there is no established common name, so the McCune-Reischauer Romanization should be used. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 01:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @CountHacker WP:NCKO says to use go with the common usage in English sources. The two English sources in the article (Reuters and NYTimes) both use "Yoon Gwan". Of course, that said, Google ngrams doesn't even have data for anything other than Yun Kwan. --Ahecht (TALK
- Wattisham Airfield (currently a redirect to Wattisham Flying Station) → Wattisham Flying Station (move · discuss) – new name for site [1][2][3] Gavbadger (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Transportation Bureau City of Nagoya (currently a redirect to Nagoya City Transportation Bureau) → Nagoya City Transportation Bureau (move · discuss) – Official English name per official English website: https://www.kotsu.city.nagoya.jp/en/pc/TICKET/TRP0001071.htm (In fact, both are used, but this is the one that reads as grammatical in English.) Cannot move due to the redirect back to this page already existing. Fpmfpm (talk) 08:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Charles Wallace Midgley (currently a redirect to Charles Wallace (footballer)) → Charles Wallace (footballer) (move · discuss) – WP:COMMONNAME for the footballer is "Charles Wallace", doesn't use maternal surname. Only footballer with this specific name, DAB as per NCSP Ortizesp (talk) 12:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- War in Afghanistan. is invalid. Must create War in Afghanistan. before requesting that it be moved to War in Afghanistan.– Back to original title, after one user unilaterally moved the War in Afghanistan and War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) articles and caused a redirecting mess. This should be the disambiguation page, as it originally was. Impru20talk 15:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- War in Afghanistan → War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) (move · discuss) – Back to original title, after one user unilaterally moved the War in Afghanistan and War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) articles and caused a redirecting mess. This should be the page for the 2001–2021 conflict, as it originally was. Impru20talk 15:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Requests to revert undiscussed moves
- English as She Is Spoke → English As She Is Spoke (currently a redirect back to English as She Is Spoke) (move · discuss) – rv per MOS:5 - "as" here is a subordinating conjunction Nardog (talk) 12:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog What is the independent clause in "English as She Is Spoke"? Wouldn't "as" in this case be a preposition indicating manner? --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Contested technical requests
- David Stewart (Dynamite producer) (currently a redirect to David Stewart (songwriter and producer)) → David Stewart (English producer) (currently a redirect instead to David Stewart) (move · discuss) – I believe the current title of the article may not be the most fitting. I would suggest changing it to another the disambiguation name. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 00:11 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Btspurplegalaxy: But Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) is also a record/music producer, and English. Any other suggestions? – robertsky (talk) 10:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Per David Stewart (footballer, born 1869) and some other examples at the David Stewart disambig page, I believe the next option here would be David Stewart (producer, born XXXX). Unfortunately his year of birth is not given in the article (or in his father's article) and I can't find it in any reliable source. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I recommend updating the reference to Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) to either Dave Stewart (English musician, born 1952) or simply Dave Stewart (musician, born 1952). This ensures clear disambiguation, as Dave Stewart's birthdate cannot be verified, leaving only the producer disambiguation. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 14:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Btspurplegalaxy, @Doomsdayer520: possible to slide this under WP:ABOUTSELF: David Stewart (English producer, born 1989)? He had been wishing himself happy birthday on his social 32 in 2021, and 33 in 2022 around December each year, and his sister had referred to him has her older brother by five years in various interviews in 2022 and in 2017. She's born in Jan 1995, while if his socials are right, Dec 1989. While we tend to go by calendar year for age calculation, their natural age difference is 5 years and 1-2 months apart. Anecdotally, I have known of Dec-Jan siblings counting it this way as well. – robertsky (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- This feels a bit too OR-y for my taste. And in any event as the current title resulted from a seven-day move discussion any new moves would need one as well. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Btspurplegalaxy, @Doomsdayer520: possible to slide this under WP:ABOUTSELF: David Stewart (English producer, born 1989)? He had been wishing himself happy birthday on his social 32 in 2021, and 33 in 2022 around December each year, and his sister had referred to him has her older brother by five years in various interviews in 2022 and in 2017. She's born in Jan 1995, while if his socials are right, Dec 1989. While we tend to go by calendar year for age calculation, their natural age difference is 5 years and 1-2 months apart. Anecdotally, I have known of Dec-Jan siblings counting it this way as well. – robertsky (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Robertsky: It seems that there is some debate about this, and the closure of the RM[7] may have been premature. I urge you to consider undoing the close and relisting. 162 etc. (talk) 18:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @162 etc. different pair of articles though? – robertsky (talk) 18:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- No it isn't? 162 etc. (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @162 etc. hmm... upon relooking at the RM, I will have it reopened later, and include this. – robertsky (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- No it isn't? 162 etc. (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @162 etc. different pair of articles though? – robertsky (talk) 18:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Akhil Reed Amar → Akhil Amar (currently a redirect back to Akhil Reed Amar) (move · discuss) – More concise title, and the subject is known more as simply "Akhil Amar" rather than by his full name. GuardianH (talk) 17:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Jitendra Singh (politician, born 1971) (currently a redirect to Bhanwar Jitendra Singh) → Bhanwar Jitendra Singh (move · discuss) – Commonly used full name, that will remove the need for the unnecessary excessive disambiguation present at the moment. MrMkG (talk) 00:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- @MrMkG I don't know too much about how Indian names/titles work, but only one of the sources in the article uses Bhanwar Jitendra Singh, while most just Jitendra Singh or Shri Jitendra Singh seem more common. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)- It's like a first first name, if that makes sense. Some people have it. Shri is a honorific like Mister. Only two of the sources in the article are independent news sources and Bhanwar is used by one of them. News sources commonly use Bhanwar so that he doesn't get confused with another Jitendra Singh who is an active politician. Even if it were less used which it isn't, it would still be more accessible without the disambiguation (who knows birth years?). MrMkG (talk) 22:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- @MrMkG I don't know too much about how Indian names/titles work, but only one of the sources in the article uses Bhanwar Jitendra Singh, while most just Jitendra Singh or Shri Jitendra Singh seem more common. --Ahecht (TALK
Assizes → Assize (currently a redirect back to Assizes) (move · discuss) – WP:SINGULAR Ost (talk) 00:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this might benefit from a discussion, just to be on the safe size. It's almost always referred to in the plural, so could be an exception to WP:SINGULAR. — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objection to discussion if that is the case, but the first instance I saw was Assize of Clarendon, which then brought me to the general topic. —Ost (talk) 16:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this might benefit from a discussion, just to be on the safe size. It's almost always referred to in the plural, so could be an exception to WP:SINGULAR. — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Modern Standard Arabic → Modern Arabic (move · discuss) – Modern Arabic is not standard Arabic, but rather an extension of Classical Arabic, so the title must be transferred to Modern Arabic. أرمز (talk) 12:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- MSA is the standard and common name; Modern Arabic contains various variations.
'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''
(talk|contribs) 12:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)- No, but it is not standard. Normative means that it takes a standard for deducing rules, but this is not true. Classical Arabic is the one that takes a standard for rules. أرمز (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you want something from me, please tag me. I am on the Arabic Wikipedia + I am not fluent in English. Please search carefully to verify my words. أرمز (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- @أرمز: This move is potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue). SilverLocust 💬 23:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Where do I place the request? أرمز (talk) 04:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- You can click "discuss" above, which will start a discussion on Talk:Modern Standard Arabic
'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''
(talk|contribs) 05:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- You can click "discuss" above, which will start a discussion on Talk:Modern Standard Arabic
- Where do I place the request? أرمز (talk) 04:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @أرمز: This move is potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue). SilverLocust 💬 23:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you want something from me, please tag me. I am on the Arabic Wikipedia + I am not fluent in English. Please search carefully to verify my words. أرمز (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, but it is not standard. Normative means that it takes a standard for deducing rules, but this is not true. Classical Arabic is the one that takes a standard for rules. أرمز (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- MSA is the standard and common name; Modern Arabic contains various variations.
- Drink N Dance (currently a redirect to We Still Don't Trust You) → Drink n Dance (currently a redirect instead to We Still Don't Trust You) (move · discuss) – The "N" in the article is an abbreviation of the word "and", which should not be capitalized. 76.183.116.95 (talk) 22:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The song is spelt with a capital N in both the sources and Spotify.
'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''
(talk|contribs) 01:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)- MOS:TITLECAPS would suggest lowercase. This has been overruled before, however; see Talk:4 Da Gang. 162 etc. (talk) 15:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- The song is spelt with a capital N in both the sources and Spotify.
- User:Ula993/Arie van Bennekum (currently a redirect to Draft:Arie van Bennekum) → Arie van Bennekum (currently a redirect instead to Agile software development) (move · discuss) – Currently it redirects to the Agile software development page but the article is relevant enough to be in the main space. Ula993 (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Ula993 (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- The previous version went through an AfD and was closed as redirect in November 2023. Please go through AfC for a closer evaluation by AfC reviewers. – robertsky (talk) 15:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)