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FLRC for List of birds of California

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Georg Forster FAR

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Horned Lark

Recently searching for the Shore Lark I stumbled upon the Horned Lark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_lark

I took immediate exception to the first line which is as follows:

"The horned lark (Eremophila alpestris), called the shore lark in Europe, is a species of bird in the genus Eremophila."

It is implied that in Europe the name of the bird is the Shore Lark but it does not say where the name Horned Lark is used. I suppose the author assumes that people will automatically understand but unfortunately I can only guess. Secondly, being this the English version of Wikipedia shouldn't the English name 'Shore Lark' take precedence over any alternatives or modification made to the English language? What I mean to say is that "Shore Lark (Eremophila alpestris), also known as the Horned Lark in -input place- is a..." would be more appropriate. Having said that I am totally baffled by the reference to Europe. Many languages are spoken in Europe and I doubt very much they all use the name 'Shore Lark', rather I think 'Shore Lark' is the English name as accepted by the English and the U.K. If this is in fact the case then a revision of the page title should be made listing accepted variants after the correct name of Shore Lark as previously suggested.

Now having made my point I would like to point out that I haven't made any changes because the above is pure speculation and not an attempt to start a debate on the English language with non-native speakers of English (non-native referring to not being born in England.) If the name Horned Lark is indeed the correct English name then please let me know but either way please revise the above sentence to avoid ambiguity.

Thank you for your time,

Respectfully,

Jonathan.student.of.life and bird.enthusiast

Jonathan-student-of-life (talk) 10:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

No names in other European languages are relevant since this is English-language Wikipedia. Shore Lark is the name used by English-speakers in Europe, mainly in the English-speaking nations (not just England or the UK, don't forget the Irish Republic. Horned Lark is more common with North American English speakers. The article is at the latter name because we follow the IOC list on Wikipedia, which in this case uses Horned Lark. Both English names are current and widespread and need to be mentioned in the lead

I find it astonishing that you don't consider Scots, Welsh, Irish Americans or Canadians as native speakers of English — or are you making a political point (which is not appropriate here)? Native speaker means it's your first language, not where you were born.Jimfbleak - talk to me?

Image review/identification section?

Would it be an idea to have a specialised section of the project front page, not just occasional talk page threads, for review and identification of photos and illustrations? It used to be a recurring issue that people were unable to identify certain birds on photos, and sometimes photos are also wrongly identified (see for example[1]). Furthermore, the page could be used to review restorations of extinct birds, which we have a lot of, but they largely go unchecked. I've made a few, but the folks at the palaeoart review[2] are not necessarily experts in recent birds. Such a page could also be used to request photos/illustrations of particular species for example. Commons is also filled with hundreds of unidentified bird photos that could be potentially useful when identified here, but most people are probably not aware of those pages: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Unidentified_birds FunkMonk (talk) 20:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

(a) Yes, (b) thanks for the link Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:28, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Wow, this page is dead

Anything much happening in this project anymore? Sabine's Sunbird talk 00:38, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Not as much on this page at the moment perhaps, but we're still ticking along. We've got a handful of new editors, and some new additions to our "showcase", but a lot of us have been keeping our heads down since the big bust-up. Who wants to attract that kind of snarky attention again?! That said, you'd still recognize a lot of the regulars. MeegsC (talk) 03:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Indeed - if anyone is feeling collaborative, any input on frigatebird would be appreciated. Also some taxonomic interesting things...the banded stilt might be more closely related to avocets....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:27, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Still feeling pretty hostile towards Wikipedia. But Cas, there's a great paper on frigatebird movements cited on the Great Frigatebird page that you might find useful. Sabine's Sunbird talk 06:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Pretty much what I thought would happen after the MoS zealots 'sploded everything. 68.187.45.82 (talk) 05:09, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

{{Thanks Sabine's Sunbird, will go look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Merlin Bird Photo ID program

Cornell University and the Visipedia research project's Merlin Bird Photo ID program "utilizes computer vision tech to identify birds pictured in user-supplied photos." Upload a photo, draw a box around it, then click on the bill, eye and tail to establish orientation. [3] --Atsme^📞📧 13:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Frigatebird

..is at FAC if anyone would like to comment or let us know how we could improve it...cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Article names

@SMcCandlish: can you please explain this edit, which was made unilaterally, without any discussion whatsoever with fellow project members? Whose reliable source takes precedence where conflicts exist? What counts as a reliable source? Is there a particular issue that caused you to change this longstanding directive, other than the desire to open another can of worms? MeegsC (talk) 07:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)