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Remove Boot (medicine)  5

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The article is only two sentences long and shows no signs of improvement. Vileplume (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

• User:OhnoitsvileplumeXD, Be advised that there will be a forthcoming merge discussion that will be crossposted here. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup#Merge_Boot_(medicine)_5_and_Walking_boot. Give me about 24 hours to properly determine the merge discussion venue. In the mean time. I would ask that you please withdraw this nomination. There will be a merged article with substantial encyclopedic content in the future. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Amborella  5

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A plant species important for studying the evolution of flowering plants. From the article: "Amborella is of great interest to plant systematists because molecular phylogenetic analyses consistently place it at or near the base of the flowering plant lineage. That is, the Amborellaceae represent a line of flowering plants that diverged very early on (more than 130 million years ago) from all the other extant species of flowering plants" and "Since Amborella is apparently basal among the flowering plants, the features of early flowering plants can be inferred by comparing derived traits shared by the main angiosperm lineage but not present in Amborella." Because of its importance in plant evolution, its genome (the entirety of its DNA) have been sequenced. From Pillon 2008, cited in the article: "The disappearance of Amborella trichopoda would imply the disappearance of a genus, a family and an entire order, as well as the only witness to at least 140 million years of evolutionary history." I nominated this because User: Marchantiophyta mentioned it in here and I decided to see if I can explain its vitality.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, both on its own merits and Plants still being under quota. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 14:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC);Oppose
4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 15:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Railjet

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A relatively small high-speed rail system with a relatively short history and relatively low speeds. ÖBB, its operator, is not listed as vital.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 14:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add ISBN

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Unique identifier for every single book (that isn't privately published) in the world. Probably the world's largest form of standardization in anything. You can see it on every book flipped upside down. Can go either under Book or under Barcode. 142 interwikis! Aurangzebra (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
5. ZKevinTheCat 8:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Sure. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Billboard  5

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36 interwikis, for people who care about those. Top-Importance for WikiProject Marketing, High-Importance for WikiProject Business. These are a common fixture of many roads, and a very popular advertising method.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:14, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🚰 (talk) 07:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support outside of Tech, while it's a large, built artifact, my thinking is that it's more at home with Advertising or Commercial art. Skimming the article kind of reinforced that for me. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support outside of Tech per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
5. ZKevinTheCat 8:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Of course. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 18:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Quilt  5

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Quilts are very commonly used worldwide, and have had an effect on popular culture. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Craft and WikiProject Textile Arts.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support under Arts, agree it's vital but has strong craft connotations for me. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
5. ZKevinTheCat 8:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. V5 yes. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add iPadOS

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Major operating system for iPad. We already list iOS. Interstellarity (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. It's software specific to IPad  5 and at least partially covered by IOS  5 from which it was spun out. I think having iPad and iOS at this level is enough. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Feminist. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Only spun out in 2019 whereas the original iPad released in 2010. Vileplume (talk) 23:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Pile on as too niche. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Apple Watch

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Everyday aspect of many people's lives. Interstellarity (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

1. Support I could see Smartwatch at VA4.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose Would prefer listing the generic Smartwatch  5 first. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Prefer listing Smartwatch instead. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Smartwatch is enough. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Smartwatch is enough. starship.paint (RUN) 15:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Conditional support if we can get Smartwatch  5 to V4. Vileplume (talk) 02:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Knives considerations: Add 2/Remove 2

Technology is currently under quota at 3180/3200 although many medical technology subjects seem to have several imminent additions. Nonetheless, I would like to consider the knives subjects. Above at the scalpel nomination this subject came up with User:Piotrus. We have 11 Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Knives_(11_articles) at level 5, including Knife  3, Dagger  4 and Bayonet  4 at higher levels. Butterfly knife (28 interwikis) and Utility knife (19) both have more interwikis than most of the other level 5 inclusions: Switchblade  5 (16), Bowie knife  5 (23), Fighting knife (4), Hunting knife  5 (13), Pocketknife  5 (38), Swiss Army knife  5 (38), Throwing knife  5 (18), Assisted-opening knife (0)

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The butterfly knife is an important martial arts implement and subject of legal controversy. It is probably both an example of a pocketknife and a fighting knife.

Support

1. Strong support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose, while technically different, there's a lot of overlap with several other knives already listed. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
2. per Zar2gar1, for example we already list Pocket knife. starship.paint (RUN) 14:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Utility knife

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The utility knife is an important tool.

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support, a knife, but also a distinct tool; important in the trades. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 11:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. The Blue Rider 23:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Fighting knife

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I am not sure how common a subject this is. It has few interwikis, which makes me believe readers are actually interested in specific types of fighting knives and not the general class. Maybe we should emphasize the specific examples that are actually of interest.

Support

1. Weak support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. per nom. We can add specific weapons. starship.paint (RUN) 11:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
3. The Blue Rider 23:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose, we probably should eventually drop this or an overlapping article. But when there's room, I like to leave overlaps like this on the list, in the hope that if they percolate, someone will eventually consolidate them. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

1. Nice article. No interwikis makes me wonder if there is an overlap with a more common topic (Dagger? V4 already...), but the point is - fighting knives have been a common weapon for millenia. That said, I just found out more basic concept of Hand-to-hand combat is not vital... sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Remove Assisted-opening knife

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I am not sure how common a subject this is. It has absolutely no interwikis, which makes me believe readers are actually interested in specific types of fighting knives and not the general class. Maybe we should emphasize the specific examples that are actually of interest.

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. No interwikis, never heard of it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

   User:Piotrus, did you mean to support?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

   @TonyTheTiger Support removal, yes. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

3. Yeah, no. This is not a vital concept, and we should really just have switchblade at this level. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support removal, apparently not a switchblade... but seems like it could still be merged into that article as a variant. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Martial arts implements

With Technology currently under quota at 3180/3200 I would like to consider some martial arts implements (although many medical technology subjects seem to have several imminent additions). Currently we have 40 subjects under Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Melee_weapons including 11 knives, 8 polearms, and 12 swords.

Add Sai (weapon)

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This is an important martial arts implement with 31 interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Weak support as we are under quota, this has good amount of iwikis, and it is a bit of a popculture icon too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. The Blue Rider 23:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Bō

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This is an important martial arts implement with 26 interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Poi (performance art)

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This is an important martial arts implement with 22 interwikis. The current article discusses its modern use as a performance art, but as I understand it its history stems from a class of Chain weapons that are basically meteor hammers split in half.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I can't see this as vital, the article describes it as a regional art form. Systemic bias and all, but nah, particularly since we probably need a different article to tackle the martial art aspect. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
2. per Piotrus. starship.paint (RUN) 14:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tonfa

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This is an important martial arts implement with 27 interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Same as for what I said above for sai. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. The Blue Rider 23:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Hughes H-4 Hercules

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The aircraft made only one brief flight, on November 2, 1947, and the project never advanced beyond the single example produced.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Wow, what is this footnote aviation trivia doing here? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Not successful. starship.paint (RUN) 15:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose, true it only flew once and never reached the finishline as a project, but the Spruce Goose is still kind of a (quirky) legend in aviation. Also adds a bit of coverage range too (expands the definition of what an airplane can look like). Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove List of dams and reservoirs

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This is not a vital list, Dam, Reservoir, and the dams and reservoirs we list at VA should be sufficient.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy removal. The Blue Rider 14:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Definitely not vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
4. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Someone was maybe a bit too interested in dams, I succesfully nominated a few for removal some time ago. Besides, it's questionable whether we should include list-class articles, even at this level.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
   1. Agree, there's a reasonable amount of list articles here. Some of them have probably been articles that have been turned to redirects, like humor magazine that redirects to List of humor magazines  5. We could discuss, if lists have a place at all in vital articles, or should some be considered notable enough. --Makkool (talk) 13:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
6. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume (talk) 23:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Smartwatch

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Per Apple Watch discussion above. Interstellarity (talk) 13:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. ok. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add some topical treatments

Add Neomycin/polymyxin B/bacitracin

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Typical triple-antibiotic ointment AKA Neosporin in the US.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. SupportTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Seems pretty common in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Calamine

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A basic medication with a long history and still a go-to for several things.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. It is on the WHO list of essential medicines and its usage dates back to 1500 AD. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
4. SupportTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Medical uses of salicylic acid

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The title's a bit convoluted, but this is your typical over-the-counter wart-remover among other things.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose Salicylic acid  5 is only at VA5. I don't think that the article on a specific usage of it makes the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

   For the article in isolation, I mostly agree, but since we're still ~175 under quota, I figured it's not too trivial for brainstorming right now.

   That said, I've realized something much higher priority isn't even in VA5 yet. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

   What is it? QuicoleJR (talk) 00:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

   Lots of them actually, skin conditions and features like wart, nevus, dermatitis, psoriasis, vitiligo, etc. Actually we don't even list skin condition (but we do at least list Melanoma  4).

   I can come up with a batch proposal, but the page is getting bloated so I plan to wait until we can archive some of the existing batches. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

   How is Wart not vital? Seems like an easy VA4 to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Technical term for the removal of dead-tissue; warning: the photos are kind of gross.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Progesterone  5

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A subtopic of Progestogen  5 but has more interwikis (56 vs 29), should be appropriate at this level?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
3. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. This hormone is a key part of the human menstrual cycle. starship.paint (RUN) 01:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Hydrocortisone  5

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Very common medication, listed on the WHO List of Essential Medicines, and prescribed over 3 million times in the United States.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:11, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Fair point. Wonder what other common meds we are missing? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ballpoint pen  5

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Very common tool for office and education use.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
2. signed starship.paint (RUN) 09:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Pen  4 is VA4 and this is the most common type. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 23:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
7. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Global distribution system

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The system on which commercial flights are searched and reserved on travel agencies. Place this under Aviation.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, though possibly under Networks or Web services, but Aviation would be OK too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I am not seeing this as vital at V5 level. Just a background business practice for a single industry. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Piotrus. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add French formal garden  5

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I'm suggesting this, because English landscape garden  5 is already listed, and French formal garden was historically its predecessor as the principal garden design in Europe. --Makkool (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, sure, why not? I'd like to see a lot of things like gardens reorganized someday, possibly into a different section, but for now it's fine. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
   1. Agree, everyday life would be a much better place for gardens rather than Technology/Agriculture. --Makkool (talk) 09:54, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 17:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Feces  5

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Should be at the same level as Urine  5. 106 interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Unpleasant but a vital topic. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Synthetic media, add Generative artificial intelligence  5

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The latter gets way more attention: https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Synthetic_media%7CGenerative_artificial_intelligence

Support

1. As Nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Fedora Linux and Ubuntu

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I think Debian is sufficient for this list for Linux distros. Interstellarity (talk) 21:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
2. If we are to list a second Linux distro, it should be ChromeOS. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

   I would support a swap with ChromeOS. Interstellarity (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

3. Time to denerdize vitals... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support per above. Gizza (talk) 07:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Heart failure  5

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78 interwikis

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Parent topic of Myocardial infarction  4, aka heart attack. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. The Blue Rider 16:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
7. Even if there were 2 interwikis I would consider this vital. Gizza (talk) 00:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Armillary sphere

A techonology of ancient times, this innovation held paramount importance, particularly during the Age of Discovery  3. Serving as a navigational cornerstone, its methods through the cosmos enabled astronomers and navigators to understand the celestial movements. More than a tool, it became a symbol of scientific progress. The Blue Rider 23:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, whether it goes in Astronomy or scientific instruments under Tech. Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fan (machine)  5 to Heating and cooling

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76 interwikis. Modern invention used for cooling humans, automobiles and computers.

Support

1. as nom. Should be V4 in my opinion. starship.paint (RUN) 23:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Definitely feminist🩸 (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
7. I will strongly support it at V4 too. Gizza (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Transcriptome

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The entire set of RNA transcript in an organism. We list several omics topics: Genomics  5, Genome  5, Proteomics  5, Proteome  5, Epigenomics  5, Epigenome  5, Metagenomics  5, and Pharmacogenomics  5. Transcriptomics redirects to Transcriptomics techniques, and the Transcriptome article covers the techniques, so it should be sufficient. These are the Google Scholar hits:

• Genomics 5,530,000
• Genome 4,530,000
• Transcriptome 1,430,000
• Transcriptomics 299,000
• Proteome 972,000
• Proteomics 1,850,000
• Epigenome 145,000
• Epigenomics 118,000
• Metagenome 103,000
• Metagenomics 235,000
• Pharmacogenomics 324,000

Based on the Google Scholar hits, transcriptomics is one of the more important omics fields, and Transcriptome can represent that in the VA list. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 10:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
3. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Seems important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Microsoft Azure

In the market of public cloud server, Microsoft Azure is often reported to have twice the share as Google Cloud Platform which has been listed in level 5. David Xuang (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. David Xuang (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Wonder if OneDrive is more vital, but to be honest don't think neither is. The Blue Rider 01:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Swap in for Google Cloud Platform

1. Support swap, I wouldn't support adding another service (my "no brands" principle), but you make a really good point about Google Cloud Platform already being listed. I know I personally hear about Microsoft's offering way more than Google's.Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support swap. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support swap. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fire protection

Because we recently added Fire alarm system  5, Fire hydrant  5 and Smoke detector  5, we should list the parent topic too.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 02:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Wikimedia Commons

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Better addition than Wiktionary. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Only 14th in page views last year among articles in Category:Image-sharing websites. Page views for these articles drop off a cliff once you get past Snapchat. We list the top four, and I think that's enough. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Feminist Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Vileplume (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add some houseplants with taxonomy

Add Spathiphyllum genus

Includes the peace lily and relatives. I'm even looking at one of these bad mama-jamas right now.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Asparagaceae family

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Actual family of asparagus, in addition to a few common houseplants.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Bluebell and asparagus are enough to make it vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Dracaena trifasciata

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I've heard it referred to as snake-plant and mother-in-law's tongue. You know it when you see it.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Apparently significant to some African cultures. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Chlorophytum genus

Includes a few plants, but particularly the spider-plants.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Chlorophytum comosum

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The common spider-plant, another popular houseplant.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
4. They are pretty common decorative plants. I am a bit surprised it isn't listed yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Hosta genus

Another relative of asparagus and a common plant for flowerbeds.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Swap: Remove Tencent QQ  5, add WeChat Pay

Tencent QQ as an instant messaging service has largely been superseded by WeChat  5 among offerings from Tencent  5. In contrast, WeChat Pay maintains a duopoly with Alipay  5 for retail payments in China; the two payment platforms are comparable in significance. Both Tencent QQ and WeChat Pay are subsidiaries of Tencent, so this is a straightforward swap.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, swap seems straight-forward. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Not too sure if it is that straight-forward, Chinese applications tend to be all-in-one, so WeChat  5 is already covering WeChat Pay partially. The Blue Rider 12:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Mixed

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Remove Bubble sort, possible swap with merge sort or Timsort

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Bubble sort is a toy sorting algorithm that is exclusively used to motivate sorting algorithms in computer science courses. It is never used for anything in the real world. I think we should definitely remove it but since we are still slightly under quota in this section, we can also swap in merge sort which is another sorting-optimal O(nlogn) algorithm that is frequently used in external sorting on big data systems or timsort which is a variant of merge sort that is optimized to perform better on real-world data and is the default sorting algorithm used by Python and Java. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Removal

Support Swap with merge sort

1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Didn't understand much but I will trust you, support per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, on 2nd thought, I'd be fine with this for now; I'm neutral on swapping with Timsort but wouldn't mind adding it if we get more slots for Math. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Support Swap with Timsort

1. as nom (equally split in preference between timsort and merge sort - can side with whatever the majority decides) Aurangzebra (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

• I won't oppose cutting bubble-sort (it's not used often), but I do think it's still useful as a theoretical concept. Both educationally and as a sort-of base-case algorithm that suggests other ones as optimizations.

Would definitely support adding back merge-sort though and also bucket-sort. We're over quota, but I know some other sections can be trimmed aggressively (I know because I did the bikeshedding). Maybe not right now, but I also feel like the entire Math quota eventually belongs more around 1500 slots. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Educational technology

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Technology has become a vital part of education, and it has especially increased after the pandemic.

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I'm not seeing a particular importance in the intersection between education and technology. We don't list Health technology or Fintech for example, and I'd argue that technology is a more influential part of those two topics than educational technology. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Feminist. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

• I'm on the fence with this one, like I would support it as a topic under Education in Society, but it's actually too abstract about the actual technology involved to belong in Tech? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• I hear Ed tech on my startup podcasts almost as much as Fintech, which I would support. Is Fintech rightly omitted?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Internet Explorer

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Considering that we removed Netscape which used to be a common browser, this browser should probably go, which was also a common browser, but diminished in popularity. Interstellarity (talk) 15:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 15:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Swap with Netscape; we should have at least one historical web browser. The Blue Rider 16:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Weak support, I don't know we really need any specific browsers in the tech section (the differences are either highly-technical or branding). If there's historical interest, History of the web browser or Browser wars seem better. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. IE has 90 interwikis; Netscape Navigator has 48. Page views are 997-463. Vileplume (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. We should keep at least one of these legacy browsers and IE beat Netscape during the first of the Browser Wars. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Notorious. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Oppose Still too famous.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Significant part of history. starship.paint (RUN) 08:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Magnification and Chatoyancy

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Two optical phenomena, magnification in particular being a very basic one, in both everyday life and theory. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support Magnification per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Magnification only. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose Chatoyancy, this does not seem to be a vital concept ("an optical reflectance effect seen in certain gemstones, woods, and carbon fiber"). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

   Not expecting to change your mind, but do you picture this as less vital than Lv5 in relation to something? We still have 30 slots in physics and can probably free up more like the big list of color spaces. which are arguably more computer standards anyways. I agree chatoyancy probably isn't a Lv4 article, but it's a distinct phenomenon. The fact we're still just adding magnification suggests to me that optical phenomena have been overlooked in general too; we're also missing iridescence, dichroism, and structural coloration. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

   @Zar2gar1 I'd support iridescence (41 interwikis vs 16 for chat...) before chatoyancy. And I'd expect we can find more vital physics concept to fill in the quota. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

1. I'll ping User:Hanif Al Husaini and User:Marchantiophyta - are you sure you want to support both? IMHO this is a bundle of a pretty vital concept and one that is much less so. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Urban rail transit

The parent topic to Rapid transit  4, Tram  4, Monorail  4, etc.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 12:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Hot spring  5

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A common geological feature which has been used for recreation and therapy for thousands of years. A subtopic of Spring (hydrology)  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 12:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
3. --Makkool (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Enduring. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
7. Clear omission Gizza (talk) 00:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add New York City Transit Authority and/or Metropolitan Transportation Authority

We list NYC subway, but we don’t list the parent organizations similar to how we list MBTA, but not MBTA subway. Interstellarity (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Moving walkway to Architectural elements

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Common modern invention. 25 interwikis.

Support

1. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
2. I use moving walkways every day on my commute. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Meh, I've only seen it at airports; not that widespread. The Blue Rider 16:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

   In certain countries they are also present in train stations, ski resorts, and large departmental stores such as supermarkets, article backs that up. starship.paint (RUN) 08:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

2. Per The Blue Rider. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 21:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Escalator to Architectural elements

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Common modern invention. 70 interwikis.

Support

1. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
7. I have used them many times. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Anus  5 to Gastrointestinal tract

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We list most parts of the gastrointestinal tract, but not its end.

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1. as nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious oversight. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Definitely Aurangzebra (talk) 02:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. I am extremely surprised. starship.paint (RUN) 07:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Wondering now if need to give the whole anatomy list a once-over and check all of the systems for missing parts. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Human anus  5 is listed, which may explain why this isn't yet. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Jet lag  5

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Another common condition

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1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Developmental disorder  5

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The parent topic to Autism spectrum  4, Learning disability  5, etc.

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1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. The Blue Rider 16:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
7. Per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Sleep deprivation  5

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A common condition

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1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Yup, pretty common. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Nowadays people even brag for being sleep deprived, like its a competition of who is the most. The Blue Rider 16:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fatigue  5

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Everyone gets tired from time to time.

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1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. The Blue Rider 16:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Suicide intervention

The sibling topic to Suicide prevention  5, this is what you do to stop a suicide if you are past the point of prevention. It is a pretty important topic to Suicide  3, and appears a lot more than prevention in pop culture.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Don't see why this wouldn't be Level 5. That said, while they technically fit under Death, would the suicide-related articles make more sense somewhere under Health? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. A fairly common practice within the psychiatric field but not on the same level as for instance Kamikaze. The Blue Rider 19:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

   @The Blue Rider: I don't see why not, I would argue it is just as important as Suicide prevention  5, especially since it has more of a presence in culture due to being the default way of stopping a suicide in fiction. Besides, Suicide  3 is VA3 and this is a notable enough subtopic to make the list. As you said, it is a fairly common practice. The comparison to Kamikaze also doesn't make much sense to me, since that was part of the Japanese military and not something happening to everyday people. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

   Kamikaze is a type of suicide thus the comparison. It's a common practice in psychiatric but it's relatively minor, in the sense that it just consists in a couple of questions on whether people have suicidal ideation, a time and date, access to lethal means and if that's so they probably will get admitted to the hospital, but that's the minority of people. Most of the work to mitigate suicide is done through prevention. The Blue Rider 16:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Wikimedia Foundation and Wiktionary

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We list Wikipedia at level 4, but don't list its parent company at level 5. Wiktionary is a good addition as another Wikimedia project we don't list. Interstellarity (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. Oppose Wikitionary; relatively minor branch of the Wikimedia Foundation. If any other 'pedia should be added it would be Wikimedia Commons. The Blue Rider 21:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Oppose: Feels like WP:NAVEL. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Oppose Wiktionary, no opinion on WF. Vileplume (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Oppose both. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Oppose both. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:24, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Opera (web browser)

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Too obscure compared to other web browsers we list. Interstellarity (talk) 13:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, I'm on the fence about whether we even need any specific browsers, but if we do, the historically big 3 (IE, Mozilla, Chrome) should be plenty. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom and zar2gar Aurangzebra (talk) 05:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. Opera has significantly more interwikis and daily page views than Microsoft Edge  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 15:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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