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Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC

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Requested move at Talk:Mount Hebron#Requested move 8 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mount Hebron#Requested move 8 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 17:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Levantine Arabic FAC

Levantine Arabic is a FAC and any review would be more than welcome from those interested in the languages of Israel. A455bcd9 (talk) 10:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:1948 Palestinian exodus#Requested move 30 March 2022

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Requested move at Talk:Annexation of the Jordan Valley#Requested move 23 March 2022

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Talk:Yarkon Park

At Talk:Yarkon Park, we are attempting to determine the date the park was opened.

The park's website says:"Planning of the park began in 1969, and it was opened to the public in 1973."

However, there is a disagreement regarding whether the opening was in fact in 1952, per Meishar, Naama (2017). "Up/Rooting: Breaching Landscape Architecture in the Jewish-Arab City". AJS Review. 41 (1). Project Muse: 99–100. doi:10.1017/s0364009417000101. ISSN 0364-0094. Ha-Yarkon Park was established in 1952 on the lands of the village of Al-Shaykh Muwannis.64 Inaugurated in 1974, this 3.5-square-kilometer lawny park also covers the lands of Jarisha, Al-Jammasin al-Gharbi, and Masʻudiya (fig. 3). [Footnote 64. "Netiʻat ha-park ha-leʼumi me-ʻever la-Yarkon," 5 May 1952 (memorandum by Seʻadiya Shoshani, the head of the Planting and Gardening Department in Tel Aviv–Jaffa Municipality), viewed on Tel Aviv–Jaffa municipality's website park.co.il/he/%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%91%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9D/: (accessed July 18, 2016). This memorandum announces a planting ceremony on May 13, 1952 "near the Shaykh-Muwannis village with presence of the prime minister" (translation by the author).

Would anyone be able to help with this discrepancy? Drsmoo (talk) 16:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

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Bad transliterations of Hebrew names to Arabic in Jewish towns

Hello everyone!!! I am posting here at User:Loew Galitz's prompting. In several Jewish towns, there are badly mangled Arabic transliterations of the Hebrew names. For example Or Yehuda or Kiryat Haim. Some are tagged with "romanization needed", but there is no romanization because it the same name as Hebrew with a letter to letter mapping. For example Or Yehuda is rendered as "أور يهوده" in Arabic. This amount to a letter-to-letter conversion, but has nothing to do with the underlying language. Or, light, is in Arabic nur نور. But the name that is used is أور with an Alef. The is a simple mapping of א to أ, then ו to و, and ר to ر. Same with יהודה (Yehuda) that is mapped letter-letter to يهوده, but Arabic has its own way of writing Judah and Judas, and it is يهوذا, ending with an alif and not ha: Arabic Wikipedia of Judah (son of Jacob).

Logo

Welcome sign, no Arabic

Taking or Yehuda further, there is no Arabic on the town's website, logo, or welcome sign. The CBS doesn't have Arab residents in the town, it is a Jewish town. There is little to no Arabic in the city.

Arabic does have a special status in Israel, but it only has effect in Arabic or mixed zones, not in towns without Arabs.

I propose that these not good Arabic transliterations be removed from towns without Arab population or Arab ties. It is one matter when a town has an Arab name, like Lod: اللد derives from the same place, but is not a letter to letter mapping of לוד. But there is no purpose in forcing what might appear on an Arabic road map.חוקרת (Researcher) (talk) 05:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. If there is no source for an Arabic name of a place, then there is probably no cultural or historical reason to include it. If there is a reason to include the Arabic name, then there must be a source that supports this reason - and also provides the proper spelling. “WarKosign” 07:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@חוקרת: the CBS says there are 62 Arabs living in Or Yehuda. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Does this source say that these Israeli Arabs write Or Yehuda in Arabic? Does it say how they spell it? Otherwise, ethnicity of the residents of the city is irrelevant. “WarKosign” 18:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Original issue

The above is a valid discussion, but my point was that an English reader has no idea whether the arabic writing is a transliteration from hebrew or natural arabic name. Therefore I requested that there must be always a romanization from arabic. There is no such thing as "there is no romanization" The best you can say "we don't have reliable sources that provide romanization". In the case of Or Yehuda one may write "(transliterated from Hebrew)" or "there is no Native Arabic name for the place". Loew Galitz (talk) 16:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

What's the point in romanization of a bad transliteration? “WarKosign” 18:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)