Portal talk:Christianity/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

How many Christians?

I have a simple question : Roughly, how many Christians are there, worldwide? I can't figure out where this information is in the portal. Thanks --Irrevenant [ talk ] 21:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It is in List_of_religious_populations#Big_4_Religions. -Bikinibomb (talk) 22:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Random

I think it is high time we convert this to random portal. Any objections? If so, why? --Secisek (talk) 07:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no reason to. There is always new content that can be added and as long as someone is willing to keep it updated, there is no compelling need to make it random. --B (talk) 00:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Updating this portal seems to be a continued problem and I again suggest this. Thoughts? -- Secisek (talk) 17:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

We are currently running last years articles because there have been no new ones put up this month. The project has AT LEAST 120 GAs and almost 50 FAs. Why are we limiting our selves to one article and bio a month still? -- Secisek (talk) 22:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I also favor a random portal.Lamorak (talk) 02:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Selected verse

Would it be taken badly if we chose something from the Lolcat Bible as the selected scripture of the month? I think we could probably use a change of pace once in a while, and it is, kinda, biblical. John Carter (talk) 18:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Now that's a funny idea, but as much as I enjoy lolspeak, I think that it's more relevant to the lolcat culture than to Christianity itself :) I'm in ur portalz, eating ur lolcatz Brisvegas 10:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Church articles

I am not sure if I am posting this in the right place; if not apologies. Articles on individual churches appear regularly as AFD items, which I am picking up via Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Christianity, which is on my watch list. I would like to hear other peoples views about this. Most individual churches are without doubt non-notable. Some articles are a mere advert for the church, and probably deserve deletion as such. Others are rather more subtantantial and cross a quality threshold (though probably still not a notability one). Until recently I have been accepting the view that these articles have to be deleted, but an alternative is to merge them inot articles on the places (town, village, city - or better city locality) where they are. Peterkingiron (talk) 09:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I think if a church is retained in a place article, it should be of the type that might be an article later on when the article is more robust. Not congregations without a building and not "small" groups, whatever that means. A place article might say, we have "342 LDS members locally" or "there are five Baptist churches in Midville." Informational, not promo for church.

My thought is that church articles should not be clearly WP:PR or WP:SPAM. Churches should be of "some" size IMO. In lieu of other information (scandal, murder,embezzlement), a church of 25 or 30 people just won't cut it.

IMO "larger" churches, say, 1000 members or more (arbitrary figure), ought to be there anyway IMO. My question would be the reverse: why are they being kept out? There are many places in Wikipedia that are smaller than a number of churches. A church of "1000" members is, on its face, "influential (notable)." Older churches may be able to be there based on age of church building, regardless of size. Student7 (talk) 13:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Christianity calls itself

Portal:Christianity calls itself at the lowest part of the page. Anyone know how to fix this?--Carlaude ^(talk) 17:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Someone had created a vandalized version of the selected scripture page. --B (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Christianity?

there is a line between Christianity and Catholicism, that is Christianity is not the Catholic Church. The Protestant Church is now called or commonly known as Christian. The Catholic belief should be called Catholicism and the Protestant Protestantism. IDK if you erase what I say, but I find offensive that Christianity is linked only to the Catholic Church. Melara... (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC).

This is definitely not done universally. I assume it is a mistake someplace. Let us know and we can either change it, or help you change it. Student7 (talk) 12:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I am confused by your asertion. Are you trying to say that the catholic church should NOT be classified as part of christianity?? Becuase that is not only massively offensive, but also completely ludicrous. User:Gundy1 9:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.114.19.21 (talk)

There's not much point replying to a passing comment made in 2009. However, I suspect that the OP was concerned that text elsewhere implied that the catholic church is christianity, excluding other sects. bobrayner (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

What exactly are you trying to say? Catholicism is certainly referred to as Christianity, (as that is what it is). For neutralities sake, many other Protestant churches are also referred to as being Christian, as that is what they call themselves. The Catholic Church is certainly the largest Christian group, so you may have come across a page that linked to the Catholic Church from the term Christian. ★Thorentis★ 09:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Christianity?

Many of the religions featured under this text is not Christian. Buddhism, Taoism, Scientology, Advent, do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He was God and therefore do not belong under this heading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.245.103 (talk) 19:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I assume the "text" you are referring to is under the Portal:Christianity heading? This is a series of links to other portals - top-level portals are above the line, and religion-related portals are below the line. Portal:Buddhism is listed because it is related to the religion portal, not because it is part of the Christian portal. (It's actually a "sister" portal of the Christianity portal.) You should look under Portal:Christianity#The CHRISTIANITY PORTAL or Portal:Christianity#Topics to find what you're seeking. twilsonb (talk) 10:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I am trying to discover

why lecterns in churches are frequently shaped like an eagle. I have opinions and theorys and more, but, in the best wikipedia tradition, am looking for the facts. Have any? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I've yet to come across any lectern in the shape of an eagle - can you give a few examples of where you've seen them? HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmsFan

The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church states that lecterns are often modelled with an eagle or pelican with its wings spread. The practice is I think regionally distributed; such lecterns are relatively common in Anglican Churches in the UK unless of modern construction where simplicity is a key aesthetic value - I cannot remember having seen one in a Roman Catholic Church in South America. As for the reason, I doubt at this stage whether we can go behind opinions and theories, as OR I'd suggest that, in the case of the eagle, passages like Prov 23:5 or Isaiah 40:31 played an important role, but whether they were in the mind of the first artists who produced this type or not is likely to remain a mystery.Jpacobb (talk) 00:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

uhhhh

I didn't know what to do since there was no article on the main page, I just put jesus in it. Sorry! --Kenn5 (talk) 06:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Expert help needed

A few sections in Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences have a seemingly inferior logic that perhaps affects a larger selection of subsections. Those interested who are proficient in theology, philosophy and logic, might give a helping hand by assessing relevant subsections and giving comment at the talk page HERE! Thank you for your attention, and otherwise happy editing! Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 09:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

"Roman Imperial Church"

There is a new article called Roman Imperial Church. I think it would be good if those involved in the Christianity Project would discuss it while it is still new. Esoglou (talk) 18:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Public Domain Scripture Only?

As of 26 July 2010, the Selected scripture nominations page claims that only public domain scripture is permitted by Wikipedia policy.

Is this true?

If it's unclear, I might try and resolve it by a Wikipedia:Non-free content review for quotations from the NET Bible, focusing on non-article space (which covers the Christianity Portal)? twilsonb (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

This looks very stale, but I'm left wondering as to the outcome. Anybody know? --Nouniquenames 01:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Help

I need some help here Talk:Cedar Lake (California), if anybody can. Mlpearc powwow 17:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Please read the WP:Notability and WP:Deletion policies. They will help. twilsonb (talk) 10:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Christianity portals

I am currently trying to get together some lists of articles relevant to each Christianity-related portal which could be used, at least potentially, to help bring all the extant portals up to Featured Portal status. The current, admittedly incomplete, list of articles, images, etc., relevant to each portal can be found at User:John Carter/Christianity portals. I also think that, at least in theory, we would probably best use a single article only in a single portal, and that we probably have enough articles to do that, although there might be a few exceptions. I would welcome input from anyone on the associated talk page regarding which articles and other materials they would like to see associated with which portal(s), any suggestions for additional portals or changes to existing portals, etc. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Love

Hello. We are currently talking about the article Love, which had removed a Christian definition of love I added. I think that the conception of love for Christianity is important enough to also be in the lead. Would you like to go there and discuss it? Love for you. --Dalton2 (talk) 07:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Mormons

Please join the discussion about the open issue whether the Church of Jesus Christ LDS (mormons) should be defined as a christian religion or not here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints#Argument_against_Christianity . Currently the article defines them to be so, but scholarly works and general references show that we should not be to keen on calling them christian, since there has ever been an ongoing dispute in the academic world, and we should not argue against Britannica or Oxford English Dictionary, as long as we have not come to a reasonable conclusion. --217.5.199.242 (talk) 13:44, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Neither the OED or Britannica support the IP's claims. The OED entry is as follows: "Mormon - A member or adherent of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, a millenary Christian sect founded in 1830 at Manchester, New York, by Joseph Smith." That Christians of various ilks do not consider Mormonism to be part of their family is undisputed, but the IP appears only to arguing that religious perspective, which is not the perspective taken by reliable academic sources. Cheers.Griswaldo (talk) 14:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Griswaldo: Please stop saying that it is undisputed whether mormons are christians. It has been disputed for more than 100 years, not just by mainstream christianity but also in the academic world. --77.191.216.54 (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

When did I say it was "undisputed"? On the other had where are the non-relgious academic sources that dispute the claim? I don't see them.Griswaldo (talk) 12:47, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I can so far only give you german-language sources. Since it is a discussion about christian faith, I would rather consult theologians' academic papers, than papers of sociologists, politicians or historians. But as you want to know some sources, I give them here: Osterhammel (historian) "Die Verwandlung der Welt. Eine Geschichte des 19. Jahrhunderts" page 1268 pp., Dellwing (sociologist) "Die entprivatisierte Religion: Religionszugehörigkeit jenseits der Wahl?" page 125 --217.50.53.36 (talk) 15:24, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I do not see why they shouldn't be included in the Christianity portal. Like it or not, the Mormon church started because of Christianity, regardless of how much they have changed original beliefs. The aim of the portal, I think, is to give broad inclusion to all sects, churches, and rites that stemmed from the original religion. ★Thorentis★ 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Robert Schobel

Hello, I was wondering if someone could look into the recent changes of the Robert Schobel I came across this article and it has recently been moved from Carl Christian Reindorf. Following the change several changes took place like the date of birth is different and the Christianity portal was changed to the Judaism portal. This looks like vandalizum since the artical states that the person wrote "The History of the Gold Coast and Ashanti in the Ga language. The work was later translated into English and published 1889" but the new birth date is 1954 and his occupation is listed as "copyeditor". None of the references used are online references so I'm not sure if I can verify this. Also I saw the change when I was trying to look into the number times this editor has changed a page that me and another editor have reverted multiple times and I might be bias towards this editor so a fresh pair of eyes would be appreciated. Thanks.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 04:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

In fact I'm sure this is vandalize coupled with the original edit by this user. His first edit to his user page states "User:JPLEVY/Robert Schobel" which is the name the page was moved to. I'll probably revert the edits but could use some help keeping an eye on this. Thanks.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 04:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Information

I am looking for information on a few things that come up not only in christianity but other religions as well. I am looking for information on "The Fallen, Grigori, War in Heaven, and Nephilim" if you have information on these things please let me know, also a term i've come across frequently that doesn't make much sense to me are (loosley translated) shadows of heaven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.50.83.184 (talk) 07:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Biblical Olympiad

Does anybody know something about Biblical Olympiad (e. g. science competition) in another state then Slovakia and Czech Republic? Šárka Praha (talk) 16:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

how to delete duplicate image?

I was updating the scripture verse for the month, and had included a fish image. After posting it, I saw there were two fish images, so I went back into my code and deleted my image, however the duplicate images still appear! So I tried to undo everything but there was no option to undo. Why is there duplicate images even though I removed the code, and how can I delete the duplicate image? Andolan1 (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I've fixed this by asking the server to rebuild the page. The link for this is close to the bottom of Portal:Christianity, where it says "Purge server cache". See Wikipedia:Purge for the details. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:04, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks you, I'll remember that! Andolan1 (talk) 22:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)