Talk:25th Airborne Brigade (Ukraine)
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[edit]History will be updated(translated version) tomorrow, when I get to a different computer where that file is located.Ceriy 02:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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Existent
[edit]Added to Ukrainian Air Force Ilyushin Il-76 shoot-down Talk page:
Their (25th unit) page exists, the president ordered the the brigade to be disbanded, later on they (the brigade) explained the situation, where they (paratroopers who had been in service for only some weeks, and had their orders: not to shoot) had to abandon their armored vehicles, and seems that the brigade still exists;
in addition, the UKR article on the 25th brigade has a section, titled "the 25th in 2014"; at first there goes a paragraph with above mentioned president's order, the paragraph right below states, that according to the data presented by Dmytro Tymchuk, the data president used, was incorrect (both paragraphs dated April 17); the next paragraph states that on April 18 some vehicles were returned to the brigade, as a result of special operation; and some paragraphs lower (in article The 25th Brigade...), there goes a description of the Ilyushin incident, where 40 of them were killed. Russian version of the article ends with president's order to disband the brigade, and "full stop". ~ Pietadè (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
So, in all likelihood, the unit still exists. ~ Pietadè (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 15 September 2022
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Feel free to start a broader discussion if necessary. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
25th Airborne Brigade (Ukraine) → 25th Separate Airborne Brigade – Full conventional name; WP:consistent with other articles. —Michael Z. 14:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Ukraine has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 13:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
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- Oppose. Unnecessary. Which other articles would it be consistent with? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I see it’s inconsistently used in many article titles for Soviet, Russian, and Ukrainian units, including a minority of Ukrainian ones:
- Perhaps we need a broader conversation on consistent naming of hundreds of articles. —Michael Z. 17:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Separate" in military unit terms (or "independent", as the British Armed Forces use) is a word that tends to often be missed off the names of units and quite often disappears and reappears even in the official names as unit hierarchies change. I honestly don't think it's necessary in article titles. It just adds an unnecessary level of complication. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is it purely ceremonial? I thought it designated something about a unit’s operational role rather than tactical. For example, an infantry regiment has an independent tank company for breakthroughs, as opposed to its integral companies in the organization of its infantry battalions (or is this a different use of “independent”?). —Michael Z. 18:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Separate" in military unit terms (or "independent", as the British Armed Forces use) is a word that tends to often be missed off the names of units and quite often disappears and reappears even in the official names as unit hierarchies change. I honestly don't think it's necessary in article titles. It just adds an unnecessary level of complication. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
To answer the question above, it usually means that the unit is not part of an immediately higher level of formation/unit as it would normally be expected to be. For instance, a separate brigade is not part of a division (although it may come directly under a corps or army). An independent company is not part of a battalion (although it may come directly under a regiment, brigade, division, etc). But this status may change over time even if the unit keeps the same number. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:20, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Motto Outdated
[edit]The motto "No one but us" is outdated. Since 2022, it should be "Always first". I don't know how to right it in Ukrainian, anybody willing to do it? Thanks.
Source: The ukrainian Wikipedia page and this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0OIKMce08 89.158.91.86 (talk) 06:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Always first
in Ukrainian would beзавжди перші
which appears on the Ukrainian Wikipedia page for this brigade though I'm not sure that your video would be considered a reliable source. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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