Talk:590 Madison Avenue

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A fact from 590 Madison Avenue appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 August 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the bamboo-filled atrium of the IBM Building was described as "New York City's peerless privately owned public space"?

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There are 42 floors at 590 Madison Avenue. Not 41 Floors.

Bain Capital a multi billion dollar company is located on the 42nd floor. http://www.baincapital.com/ContactUs/Default.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammy8912 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe - I have no idea. But you can't leave a reference (two in this case) in place and change the information. The references attached to that sentence say 41 stories. So if it's 42, find a reliable reference that supports that and attach it. Like I said, I don't know anything about this building, but that's not the point - Wikipedia isn't about what we editors think we know, but about inserting cited information. - Special-T (talk) 02:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The 3 online refs I could find said 41 floors, except for this [1] which says 43 floors, built in 1982 (not '83). Maybe there's a definitive ref out there to clear this up. - Special-T (talk) 03:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the problem with citing information from the Internet and why a lot of articles in the Wikipedia have minor inaccuracies. Not everything on the Internet is accurate. Most information found on the Internet has minor inaccuracies either by accident or on purpose for financial gain. I've worked in the building for over 30 years and there are 43 floors in the building, but my opinion means nothing. You guys can keep it inaccurate if you want, but like I said before there is a multi billion dollar company located on the 42nd floor their website is a better reference proving that there are at least 42 floors in the building than an article on "thefreelibrary.com". The freelibrary article, like many free articles on the internet, was most likely complied quickly by someone who is not paid to take the time to verify the accuracy of the information, because most of the time all freearticle publishers only care about is traffic impressions and clicks for their adsense banners. Free publishers don't care about providing accurate information for free, but this is my opinion. Take it as you wish. I looked on the internet as well and cannot find a website for the management company that owns the building, so the best reputable source I've found citing 42 floors is on a multi billion dollar company's web site -- Bain Capital. I doubt that they would lie about what floor they are on in that building. Sammy8912 (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey special-t I did more digging and found the company that manages the building. http://www.ejmequities.com/590mad.html. They state 43 floors in writing on their website: http://www.mrofficespace.com/getbldg.mpl?bookref=00003764&cust_id=minskoff&Q_images=showpix. Is this a good reference? I don't think we can get any better than this. Sammy8912 (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a good discussion. It's very difficult to get an accurate floor count because of debates about how many floors the lobby consists, the practice that 13 is often not included in the floor count, and the fact that developers just simply arbitrarily increase the floor count to lure tenants (with Time-Warner Center being the most notoriuous example). The original 590 application called for a "38-story building" http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E13FA395A167493CBA91789D95F428785F9&scp=5&sq=590%20Madison%20Avenue&st=cse My understanding is that the building has 38 floors of rentable space and various sites list it as 41, 42, 43 floors. The building does have a very tall lobby. We should probably discuss the discrepancy in the article. Americasroof (talk) 14:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good - let's just get a good, cited statement. - Special-T (talk) 14:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cost of construction only $10 million?

An IP user suggested we recheck the price of the building - listed as $10 million - that it's more likely to be $100 million. Some of the existing sources do say $10 million, but other sources say this building sold for somewhere around $200 Million just 10 years later. And this source estimates that just the cantilever cut-out on the corner of the building at street level probably cost $10 million extra to accomplish. But naturally, we need to find a better source. I've looked a bit and came up empty. Anyone have source? --Krelnik (talk) 17:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 18:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the gray-green granite on the IBM Building (pictured) was polished to make it look like a prism? Source: Fischer, Robert E. (March 1981). "Granite Panels Perform as Unitized Assemblies, and Give Form and Color to IBM's Prism Tower" (PDF). Architectural Record. 169: 130–133.
- ALT1:... that to complement the prism-like gray-green facade of New York City's IBM Building (pictured), the adjacent AT&T Building was designed with a pink facade? Source: Horsley, Carter B. (July 12, 1978). "A $75 Million, 41‐Story Prism for I.B.M.". The New York Times.
- ALT2:... that the bamboo-filled atrium of IBM Building was described as "New York City's peerless privately owned public space"? Source: Kayden, Jerold S.; Municipal Art Society of New York (2000). Privately Owned Public Space: The New York City Experience. Wiley. p. 173.
- ALT3:... that the bamboo-filled atrium of the IBM Building was characterized as one of the fifteen best privately-owned public spaces in New York City, of more than 500 total? Source: Dunlap, David W. (October 15, 2000). "A Public Realm on Private Property; New study identifies and rates hundreds of spaces that earned zoning bonuses". The New York Times.
- ALT4:... that in four years, the value of New York City's IBM Building increased 150 percent? Source: "IBM Building owners face off over property". The Kansas City Star. March 3, 1998. p. 69.

Reviewed: Leaders of the World

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 20:13, 26 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

GA improved, all good except QPQ is still pending - ping me when it is done and I'll give this a tick. As for the hooks, ALT4 seems boring, ALT2-3 and are about the element, and ALT1 is about two entities - the other one is not being DYKed, so the first hook seems best. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Thanks for the review. I've done a QPQ now. Epicgenius (talk) 16:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]