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The result of the move request was: moved by DavidLeighEllis. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Air Balloon → Air Balloon (Lily Allen song) – When searching for Air Balloon, I was expecting to find information about Hot air balloon not a Lily Allen song. That is a reasonable assumption to make. Additionally, there are also a number of other recordings and songs called Air Ballon this this particular page is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Air Balloon (disambiguation) should be moved to Air Balloon too. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 01:00, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mild support - yes technically there's the red meat / Red Meat precedent, but all the same there are enough other songs on Air balloon (disambiguation) to make it worthwhile to give this article a non-ambiguous title. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per In ictu oculi. Disambiguation of this kind helps with reader recognizability. Xoloz (talk) 17:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but move to Air Balloon (song), absent evidence of other notable songs of this name. I agree that the base title should redirect to Hot air balloon. --BDD (talk) 18:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- The relevant policy is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, not WP:PRIMARYARTICLE. In Air balloon (disambiguation), there is a list of 3 other songs of the same name, all of which are covered to some extent in Wikipedia. The absence of a standalone article on them is not evidence of a lack of notability; it is merely evidence that Wikipedia editors have not yet created a standalone article for any of the other instances. That may be because the songs are non-notable, or it may be because of the WP:RECENTIST bias in our coverage of songs; we don't know. But once we disambiguate, we should create an unambiguous title, and Air Balloon (song) is ambiguous. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I accept the basic premise behind your position, but I remain unwilling to disambiguate against articles that don't exist. Lack of an article may not mean a subject is non-notable, but it certainly means that its notability has not been demonstrated. --BDD (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@BDD: WP:DAB clearly contradicts you. The lede para says: "A "topic covered by Wikipedia" is either the main subject of an article, or a minor subject covered by an article in addition to the article's main subject." That is the case with the other songs of this name, such as the track on Tangerine (Vixen album).

You are quite entitled to disagree with the guideline, but unless and until there is a consensus to change the guideline, it stands. Guidelines of course permit occasional exceptions, but in this case you offer no specific rationale for an exception, just a general objection to the principle in the guideline. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's stretching "subject covered by an article" far too thin to be of any help for readers. To use an example I've brought up before, if Vixen's "Air Baloon" is a subject of Tangerine (Vixen album), is Mark Pauly a subject of Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act? If merely being mentioned on an article meets the "subject covered by an article" standard, there are probably a great deal of titles that will need "fixing." --BDD (talk) 21:42, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@BDD: The song is not just "merely being mentioned"; it is one of the 12 tracks which make up the album. It is a core part of the album.

The comparison with Mark Pauly is a loooooooooooong stretch, well beyond breaking point. Pauly is not a component of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, nor an archtect of it, nor a figure in its enactment or implementation. He is a bit of backstory, quoted once about a precursor proposal 16 years before the Act.

Here's a test you could apply. Would removing the item significantly alter the scope or completeness of the article? In the case of the song, definitely: an incomplete track listing is silly. In the case of Pauly, it would just remove a few pixels from the edge of the picture. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move as nominated. The caps are an inadequate disambiguator, and the parenthetical disambiguator should also distinguish it from the other songs of the same which are covered in articles on albums, as listed at Air balloon (disambiguation). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support There are other balloon songs, per user:BrownHairedGirl ^walk victor falk^talk 01:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources

— Simon (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Release history

The sources for the song's digital release says "20 January", however the dates in the table are completely different? — Simon (talk) 04:00, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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