Talk:Arya Vaishya

Vasavamma - vishnuvardhana Rajus Nemesis

1. Where are Yenkat Setty's comments are they deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.210.48.75 (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
2. HI APHistory, why do you put words in another’s mouth, edit my discussion to suit your fictitious Raju community claim to Kshatriya status as well call Vasavi as fiction and story and the same time delete discussions. You are no doubt a coward and a VANDAL. Stop editing, deleting others discussion seeing that only your absurd and fake views remain in the site constitute vandalism, hatred ,debauchery,cowardise. Please mend ur ways. I am proud of my Black Ancestry, and Dravidian Superiority, I am aghast with you also being a black skinned Dravidian trying to shy from our great black Dravidian race. Simply ape northern Kshatriyas and bring their lousy caste system of down south among we Dravidian people instead of having pride. Of course it’s too much to ask from you as given in our great Dravidian Telugu VASAVAMMA puranams:
   1. Trying to lust on our Vasavamma as have your Raju's not Kshatriyas (as Kshatriyas are white Aryan losers) trying to molest our women.
   2. Trying to falsely mislead that somebody that one Person from north India or Aryan came down south and created your community of lakhs, Dude write 'nannammma Kathalu' instead in Wikipedia.
   3. Stop using Gotrams of Aryan Kshatriya which you are not linked to in any way, if at all you are related and claim descent is only of one northerner thats "SHIKANDI"
   4. In our VASAVAMMA puranamulu it is clearly given that our goddess, or just a person as per you, was the most beautiful fair skinned and gracious. I am sure you have no knowledge of our puranamulu or your own Dravidian history, so Lifeless. Please read our puranams and Dravidian history not Aryan puranams that are worthless. Stop VANDALISING PAGES VASAVI/KOMATI, of course some of our Komati traitors will aid you, But in the end TRUTH WILL WIN GOD BLESS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yenkata setty (talk • contribs) 11:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

MY Responce 2 PLs note:I dont have to use diffrnt user names I am proud of my name as Yenkat SETTY and secondly dont blame me for vandals without even trying 2 know the truth If I were a vandal I would not be on this page and wasting my time correcting you my Black dravidian people lf u read our sacred VASAVVAMMA puranamulu U will find that VASAVI blesses the BLack Race.NALUPU VASAVAMMA MECCHU TELUPU KOOTHI KODA MECHHADU RA.(For you rajus or aryan posers just bcoz some of you married some white women sometime hasnt changed you into white I am translating the telugu verse , qstion urself Why we have this among ourselves )Black is of regards to mother VASAVAMMA ,even an aPE doesnt like white.All of the RAJU community is Black WITH OUR PROUD BROAD nOSES just bcoz u have some exceptions U cant separate urself from us Proud Black Dravidians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yenkata setty (talk • contribs) 16:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Response

• Yenkat Shetty, you seem to have a poor grasp of basic english, that is why you probably fly off the handle so easily. And may I ask if you are bipolar or just plain retarded?

1. First of all our folklore, and I freely admit to it being a folklore and not the very basis of our existence as a people, stated that a group of people came to Andhra, with one person leading us, not one person coming down and all of us magically springing up from him.
2. Secondly, don’t talk to us about our history and Gotras and Aryan-Dravidian issues when your own community claims the same thing. Take care of your own house before you preach to others.
3. You say you are very proud of your pure blooded Dravidian ancestry but then describe how Vasavi was a light haired, light eyed pure blooded Aryan beauty who was lusted by the Ugly Dravidian kings (the ugly kings naturally being us Rajus). How can you be a proud pure blooded aborginal, black, big liped, ugly fellow Dravidian go out of your way to diminise your own brothers, then describe how the loser Aryan woman, is the very essences of beauty and womanhood in such a fawning manner? How can you, a professed proud pure black, aboriginal, ugly Dravidian worship a Pure Aryan woman like that? How is a logical person supposed to reconcile these divergent statements?
4. Also you, and only you, keep insisting on including the Vizianagaram kings as people who harassed the Komati community, there is no historical evidence cited to this claim, because it’s not true. The last Chalukyas king to be named Vishnuvardhana was alive in the 9th century. You state the puranams of Komati’s were written in the 10th century. Raja Rajendra was alive in the 11th century, the Vijayanagar kings started their reign in the 15th century in Vizianagram, not Penukonda.
5. I forgot to mention. You say that we never ruled anything, that we were peons to Kammas and Reddys. Then how could we be Emperors like the Chalukya Vishnuvardhana? How can peons harrase powerful people like yourself? Shouldn't you be taking your gripe up with Reddy's and Kammas? Make up your mind. You expose your fanatical stupidity with every statement.--Aphistory1 (talk) 04:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
6. It just sounds like you have self-esteem issues and have a personal gripe with some Raju in you life and find wikipedia a useful way of recreating history to make yourself feel better. I will not change a word in your Arya Vaishya article, go ahead and describe how we are monkeys, apes, mongoliods, blacks, donkeys etc..lusting after the one good looking woman that was found in your community...whatever tickles your fancy. They funny thing is anyone who is from the Telugu community is fully aware of which caste looks most like what you are describing, LOL.
7. By the way, the story does a good job of showing why you do what you do and why you revere Sri Vasavi so much but in order to understand what your community is, does or has accomplished, you need to do more than just say that you are a trading caste that uses the title Shetty, tell your folktale, than list all the places where you can find a Vasavi temple. Why do you think that “No one who is not a Komati understands the relevance of this article” was posted? Surely this community has participated and contributed much more than this to Telugu society. Why don’t you write anything about the trading guilds that formed, or what the current state of the community is, it’s population, prominent people, it’s involvement in politics, education, marriage customs? Something more than the Vasavi story and temples.--Aphistory1 (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

All members

Please do not use curse words. Please do not vandalize.—Preceding signed comment added by KavyaSrinivasanV1984 IITK (talk) Sri Vasavi Godess asked 108 gothra families and NOT only 102. There is only one place on earth where all 108 gotra families are living. It is Prodduturu in Kadapa district in AP. In the list of Gothras- another 6 more to be added. One of them is Balisetla.

Please confirm this information with Proddutur or Penugonda or Sri Sailam Arya Vysya association heads if you want.

Regards

To Yenkat Setty, IPs 122, 210.210.48.75

1. Yenkat Shetty and 122.171.19.37 are trying to start caste feelings that did not exist. They post warnings on the Komati pages warning of Rajus vandalizing their pages and do the same on Raju pages warning of Komatis vandalizing. The truth is no one was vandalizing each other’s pages, it was only these users, and who is probably the same people hiding like a coward. Also they are the ones to bring in all this racist issues that were not a part of either article. Yenkat Shetty wants us to have some Dravidian superiority feeling while at the same time he is the one who put in the statement about Vasavi being a fair, light eyed, light haired beauty. The guy is a hypocrite with some insecurity issues. Ignore the sob.--Aphistory1 (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC
2. Bhayya, what turned you this way? You are very worried about dividing the integrity of India. We Indians would never learn, hence we are ruled by foreigners and never did we ever rule a foreign country.signed comment added by KavyaSrinivasanV1984 IITK (talk)
3. those who are worried more about some other's caste than their own are destined to born in it.

You are wise and educated. You don't need anyone else’s advice. Thank you,

1. you should realise as a grownup that you are the one using the words Aryan and Dravidian in the articles.

When the Komati article was first started it never had all the racist words that you laid foundation to. No one is claiming any denomination. And you should also learn that "your" Aryan Dravidian theory has been abandoned long back. The problem with you is that you are a big racist. The ego problem is with you. By the way we never claimed that we are big and Aryans. I assume that as a grown up you should have the least common sense that all Indians are mixed and about you northern white concept, India has been occupied by forces and people have been raped. The people that claim Aryan descent in India are mostly the rape victims. I am sure that people of your sort never could be changed but who knows if you don't believe God and just believe in all these crap racist theories, then just let it be so. FATE has been laying hand on one and another someday. May be it is your day now; it could be some other's some other time. Thanks for your contributions from your point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toubrojawiki (talk • contribs) 08:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

1. THINGS TO NOTE:

• -- THERE IS NOTHING LIKE SOUTH INDIAN OR NORTH INDIAN IN RESPECT TO THE CASTE SYSTEM. If anyone wants to write so, then do it for all castes in Wikipedia if you have such a big interest. Please do not say South Indian Caste System and North Indian Caste System because we don't say South Indian Hindu Religion and North Indian Hindu Religion. THERE IS ONLY ONE HINDU BELIEF.
• -- ABOUT REGISTERING A CASTE: DURING THE 1900'S THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT (NOT JUST MADRAS) PASSED A LAW WHICH REQUIRED ALL INDIAN CASTES TO REGISTER THEIR COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, IT IS NOT JUST ARYA VYSAS, KALINGA VYSYAS OR ANY OTHER COMMUNITY OF THE KOMATI DENOMINATION WHO HAD REGISTERED THEIR COMMUNITY WITH THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT. THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL INDIAN CASTES IN INDIA. THEY HAVE ALL REGISTERED ACCORDINGLY WITH DIFFERENT NAMES. One could even say so about all castes in Wikipedia if they have such a big interest.
• -- PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT "NOT" ALL KOMATIS ARE ARYA VYSYAS, ONLY THE 102 GOTRITES ARE ARYA VYSYAS AND THEY BELIEVE IN VEDAS AND KANYAKA AND THEIR GURU IS BHASKARACHARYA. BHASKARACHARYA WAS A BRAHMIN AND NOT A VYSYA. Please read the authentic literature (Vaishya Dharma Prasikhaa (1890)) and it is clearly written that he was a Brahmin. THE OTHER GROUPS OF KOMATIS ARE TRIVARNIKA KOMATIS, KALINGA KOMATIS ETC IN ANDHRA PRADESH. It is not for other KOMATIS.
• -- IN LATER TIMES (CONTEMPORARILY), ARYA VYSYAS ARE CONFUSED FOR THE WHOLE OF KOMATIS. BUT ONLY THE 102 GOTRITES ARE ARYA VYSYAS.
• -- THE KOMATI LITERATURE THAT IS AVAILABLE IS EITHER CORRUPTED OR IS MISTAKEN TO REPRESENT THE WHOLE OF ARYA VYSYAS. BUT KOMATIS REPRESENT KALINGA VYSYAS, ARYA VYSYAS ETC.
• -- IT IS NOT KANNIKA. IT IS KANYAKA. KANYAKA IS A SANSKRIT WORD. KANNIKA IS A CORRUPTED VERSION THAT IS IN USAGE MOSTLY IN TAMIL NADU.
• -- PLEASE KNOW THAT CHETTIARS OF TAMIL NADU ARE NOT KOMATIS. THEY ARE JUST CHETTIARS. THERE ARE TELUGU KOMATIS IN TAMIL NADU. THEY COULD BE OF ANY KOMATI COMMUNITY and not just Arya Vysya etc. Many Smartha, Niyogi and Vaidiki Telugu Brahmins who settled in Tamil Nadu have Iyer as their last name though Iyer is a Tamil Title. Same way, many Sri Vaishnavas who settled in Tamil Nadu have Iyengar as their title. TELUGU KOMATIS of TAMIL NADU COULD HAVE CHETTY TITLE. BUT MAJORITY OF THE CHETTIES ARE CHETTIARS. NOT ALL CHETTIARS ARE KOMATIS, BUT SOME KOMATIS MAY HAVE CHETTY TITLE.
• -- ANDHRA VYSYAS USE GUPTA, SRESHTI AND SETTI TITLES. GUPTA IS A VYSYA TITLE. IN VEDAS IT IS CLEARLY MENTIONED THAT SHARMA IS FOR BRAHMIN, VERMA IS FOR KSHATRIYA AND GUPTA IS FOR VYSYAS. IN ANDHRA PRADESH ARYA VYSYAS, KALINGA VYSYAS AND OTHER VYSYAS USE GUPTA TITLE AS WELL AS SETTI TITLE. SETTI TITLE IS USED BY PEOPLE OF KAPU CASTE (NOT A VYSYA CASTE) AS WELL.
• -- SHETTIES OF KARNATAKA ARE BUNTS. THEY SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH THE KOMATI SETTIES OF ANDHRA PRADESH. BUT SINCE NOT VERY LONG, VERY FEW PEOPLE IN ANDHRA ARE SPELLING SETTI AS SHETTY. BUT THE KANNADA SHETTIES WITHOUT KOMATI GOTRAS ARE BUNTS.
• -- PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ARYA VYSYAS AND OTHER KOMATIS IN MAHARASTRA AS WELL. THEY ARE NOT A DIFFERENT CASTE. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SITE : http://www.vksm.com/
• -- PLEASE AVOID USING THE WORDS DRAVIDIAN AND ARYAN. ARYAN INVASION THEORY IS FLAWED AND ABANDONED SINCE LONG. IF ANYONE IS SO MUCH INTERESTED ABOUT IT, THEN PLEASE VISIT THE WIKIPEDIA PAGES OF ALL THE INDIAN CASTES WHO CLAIM ARYAN ORIGIN.

[Comment] I wonder why the word "Aryan" was used in as a prefix to the group. Just curious, I am interested in this discussion just for its facts.

Also in the wiki, it is mentionned that Vasavidevi refused to marry because vishnu vardhana was a dark skinned dravidian.

These two facts don't agree with each other. [Comment] Surajguptha (talk) 18:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• -- Vaishya Dharma Prasikhaa (1890) is a book for the ARYA VYSYAS only. OTHER BOOKS SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN HEED. PEOPLE OF ONE CASTE HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO DENEGRATE THE OTHER'S CASTE. THERE IS A BIG AMOUNT OF LITERATURE WRITTEN TO DENEGRATE SEVERAL CASTES. IN RESPECT TO ARYA VYSYAS ONLY Vaishya Dharma Prasikhaa (1890) IS THE AUTHENTIC ONE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.36.11.17 (talk) 05:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[Comment] If 1890 you are referring to is a year, it totally doesnt make sense. It is fairly modern and probably is someone's interpretation and not an authentic book from the origin of the sect. [Comment] Surajguptha (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

1. No use to expect him to change his ways. We are here still fighting for the things that were initially politicized by someone. No wonder we are Indians. But when we look back at our achievements in our old age, then we may come to know of our faults. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toubrojawiki (talk • contribs) 21:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Gomatheswara

Andhra Vaisyas like millions of North Indian Vaishyas (Banias) were Jains during medival and pre-medieval times. They were followers of Gomatheswara. Under the inflence of Ramanuja they adopted Sanatana Dharma and became predominantly Vaishvaite. The name Komati was dervied from Gomatha. There were many Jains in other communities such as Kamma, Reddy etc., too. Remants of 'Komati' name are occasionally found E.g. Pedakomati Vemareddy, Komati Naidu, etc.,Kumarrao (talk) 05:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Misleading Sub Headings

This Arya Vaishya wiki page is pretty confusing to the people who are not familiar with the Caste. There are three sub-sects in Komati.

• Arya Vaishyas (Arya/Gavara Komatulu)
• Kalinga Vaishyas (Kalinga Komatulu)
• Thrivarnika Vaishyas (Thrivarnika Komatulu)

Arya Vaishyas are Orthodox Vegetarians. While the other two sub-sects of Vaishyas are Non-Vegetarians.

Note: Need to find valid resources to put the following information mentioned above.

That being said, let me move on to the references quoted in the page. I see that most of these references are of books by authors who have little or no grasp on the caste hierarchy. I don't mean to offend anyone, but they haven't done their research completely. Atleast from the books that are on Google Books, I see that there are a couple of mistakes. Sadly, I'm not able to find any reliable books by Indians who have authored well-researched books on the Caste Hierarchy in India. There are various differences between the Banias and Vaishyas although they both had a similar purpose which was to establish Trades, Trade Routes, learn languages of the places they've visited, learn and teach the people about agriculture, Banking, act as medium between the farmers and common folk in selling goods. There's a saying within Arya Vaishyas that goes "The customs change as soon as one crosses the river" (The river mentioned here is the Godavari river).

I sincerely request other Wiki Users to mention some old books in the resources section of the page, even though they're not written in english. If it goes with WP:IRS and WP:RS then we may correct the mistakes together. Sadly and unsurprisingly, most of the Caste pages on Wiki are messed up.

The Ajan (talk) 13:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Arya Vaishyas are NOT OBCs

In response to the statement that someone put up

"The Arya Vaishya of Coorg were designated by the Kalelkar Commission as being a Other Backward Class" with a reference of "Agrawal, S. P.; Aggarwal, J. C. (1991). Educational and social uplift of backward classes: at what cost and how? : Mandal Commission and after"

The Arya Vaishyas were never OBCs the commission did not have the right rules to designate certain castes as OBCs or BCs. The Govt. of India rejected it due to the same reasons. If you want know the OBCs of India, go to http://www.ncbc.nic.in/Centrallistifobc.html, and for added reference check this India Vision 2020: The Report (http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/India_Vision_2020.html?id=QubrbAXrzhkC&redir_esc=y) -The Ajan (talk) 13:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, the statement is qualified as being the designation given by the Kalelkar Commission, which you appear not to dispute. You are saying that the commission's designation did not in fact take place and for that we would need some sort of source. We cannot use the present lists provided by the NCBC because they only show the current position and, as I am sure you know, communities are added and removed from the NCBC lists from time to time. I cannot find any mention of the Arya Vaishya in the other source that you provide (India Vision) - could you perhaps give a page number? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Page No. 496, Paragraph No. 2. - The Ajan (talk) 13:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

To Users Nostalgichalf and others

Kindly provide references for the edits you make. Do not remove the present references unless you have another reference that conflicts it. We know that "Gaurava and Kalinga are subdivisions of Komtis (just like Arya Vysya is a subdivision of Komtis). They are not subdivisions of Arya Vysya.", but this is Wikipedia, we need sources to prove that. General Knowledge or information passed down from our elders cannot be put on Wikipedia unless we have valid references. Check Wikipedia:Verifiability. The Ajan (talk) 01:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

For your kind information you are not Telugus therefore pronounce the sub-divisions as GA.VA.RA-KOMATI and Kalinga-KOMATI. And pronounce KOMATI as comma-tee Don't write as you likeMondivadu (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Komatis

See diff Sitush, diff 1 Mondivadu, diff Joshua Jonathan, diff 2 Mondivadu.

Copied from User talk:Joshua Jonathan#Affirming my action

I am talking to you, because you and Sitush are least aware of the ground facts, siding each other sidelining my community's history, and giving your own interpretations on the topic. You seem to be Christian, and I cannot guess anything about Sitush, you have a funnel vision that all the words are derived from Sanskrit, that's ridiculous. The truth is Dravidan languages is another unique language group( Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam are recognized languages from the family in India) Your undoings will mislead the people who want to learn about our community. We are unrelated to the namesake communities from other regions of India, we are basically Dravidans
You cannot revert because I am referring the term Komatis from History book pertaining to Andhra, I again quote here the book as well as page numbers for your further reference We are Komatis(Kalinga). Shrine of our tutelary deity is at Penugonda and name is Vasavi. It is neither related to Jainism that was prevalent during the Vengi Kingdom of Eastern Chalukyas nor to the name of Godavari nor Gomati Please do not meddle with the article. If you need further reference tell me how can I request another user to affirm my edits because I am still struggling to get grips using Wiki.

Chinese Buddhist pilgrim Yuan Chwang who happened to visit Vengi clearly uses the term 'KOMATI' in his works to document the trading community in Eastern Chalukyan empire (a.k.a - Telugu lands Andhra/Telengana). He stresses that Jains and Buddhists as well in Kingdom of Vengi were influenced by caste system,he says that the trading community are denoted by the term 'Komatis'. Kindly note the usage of words Komatis and Jains in the reference page mentioned above PDF, they are distinct

About Chinese Buddhist Pilgriim Yuan Chwang and his Buddhist study at Amaravathi Buddhist Studies at Amaravati,Andhra(South India)
'In the religious sphere.Buddhism which was dominant once was now in a decadent position.It monasteries were practically deserted, when the Chinese traveller visited the Vengi country. Due to their love of sacred relics in stupas, a few might have lingered on,Yuan Chwang noticed some twenty or more Buddhist aramas in which more than three thousand Sramanas lived .He spent sometime in Amaravati and studied Mahasanghika Abhidamma with the help of two sramanas....'

References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mondivadu (talk • contribs) 11:51, 7 December 2015

@Mondivadu: I'll look further into your edits. it's just that Sitush is a knowledgeable editor, who often encounters unwarranted resistance from other editors. But I'll look into it. NB: my religious background is irrelevant here, but I suggest you take a closer look. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:26, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

End of copied part

My response to their query on my talk page was here. Please note that (a) we have the Komati caste article and (b) there may be issues relating to WP:COMMONNAME but those cannot be resolved simply by changing everything but this article's title - if Mondivadu is correct then some sort of merge would be required. - Sitush (talk) 11:52, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Okay Mondivadu, I've read through your edits; how reliable is your source? And where does it say that the etymology which ypu seem to contest is incorrect? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

It seems that "Arya Vaishya" is a self-labelling used by certain Komati communities, probably during the British Raj times. If so, I don't think we need this page at all. Just a short mention in the Komati page should be enough. - Kautilya3 (talk) 12:32, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

you got the point sire!

'It seems that "Arya Vaishya" is a self-labelling used by certain Komati communities, probably during the British Raj times' is what you say and I too say the same Sire. It was used only during recent British times that too by a certain people in Komati community. Etymologically in Telugu the word for trading class is 'Komati', even during ancient times. It is recorded that the famous Buddhist pilgrim foreign traveller Yuen Chwang who had been to Amaravathi in Vengi Kingdom during rule of Eastern Chalukyas to learn Buddhism, has quoted this Telugu:'Komati' term to denote the trading class of Vengi even on that day. He was also clear that Jains and Buddhists (religions) too were keen adapting Caste System in Vengi Kingdom. In Vengi, the Komatis (trading class) were a class in the Society. Thus it is evident to us that Komatis(a caste, a social division) and Jainism(religion) are clear to Yuen Chwang too. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mondivadu (talk • contribs)

This article was originally called "Komati (caste)". It was moved to the present title here for reasons that are not entirely clear. @Mondivadu: should we move it back to the original title "Komati (caste)" and delete the page Komati caste? - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Please yes in interests of my community(Komatis), we do not speak anything besides Telugu, we are spread across Andhra, Telengana, Tamilnadu, Odisha, and Maharastra. Besides Telugu we generally speak the language of our host. In Andhra and Telengana our homelands we are well known as 'Komati' (telugu:కోమటి) the generic name of trading class in Telugu since ancient times as mentioned in discussion with User:Joshua Jonathan In TamilNadu we are known as 'Komati Chettiar' (tamil: கோமடி செட்டியார்), in Odisha we are called 'Kumuti' (odia:). Our host states know very well that we are Telugu, Dravidan by origin.

Reading Wiki we are persecuted by unknown similar castes from mainly North, by error on the belief that that we are one of them, and we are asked to talk Hindi, Rajasthani etc which we don't know. Even we are questioned when did you settle there? why do you speak Telugu and how come you forgot your own lang_abc ? is there any opportunity of matrimonial alliance possible with us, because you too are called Aryans(falling fertility rates in the north)?? why don't you worship cow while your ancestors used to worship it??

I(we) Komatis cannot explain to each and everybody outside our community that we are Dravidans our native lands are Andhra/Telengana, we also got settled in neighboring states (TamilNadu/Karnataka/Odisha/Maharastra etc)our tutelary deity is Vasavi Kanyaka Parameswari, at Penugonda etc. Mondivadu (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

To User:Joshua Jonathan

Mr. Joshua Jonathan the source is listed in Prescribed TextBooks for First Semester, PAPER – IV – HISTORY OF ANDHRAS UPTO 1323 A.D of the following couses
1.M.A History as well as '2.'M.A. ANCIENT HISTORY & ARCHAEOLOGY in AndhraUniversity

Kindly find the syllabus at the university site in DOC format

Title - History of the Andhras upto 1565 A.D.

Date of publication - April 1988

Publisher - P.G.PUBLISHERS

Author - J.Durga Prasad

Place - Guntur-10

And where does it say that the etymology which you seem to contest is incorrect - 'Komati' means tradesmen in Telugu country,

first of all since you are not a Telugu native speaker I would like you to go through the meaning of the word 'Komati' in Telugu here at this link here . It seems you are unable to understand English, I have been pointing the page specifically which clearly differentiates between Komatis(Hindu, (Telugu)Dravidan, telugu term for Trading Class in Kingdom of Vengi, and elsewhere in Telugu lands, ) and Jains(a religion along side Buddhism and Hinduism, a religion having adherents across the Indian sub continent) .

Read this book!, Read the book! which is the prescribed text for Paper 'History Of Andhras upto 1323 A.D' which is in first semester for (1)M.A History and (2)M.A. ANCIENT HISTORY & ARCHAEOLOGY of AndhraUniversity. Available from this linkMention of Komati - trading class of Telugu/Andhra Country in this page number here, then this ' Even the Buddhists and Jains who originally disregarded caste, adopted it' in this page number here .

Mondivadu (talk) 18:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Mondivadu: You need to stop spamming this talk page. I have asked a question whether this page should be renamed back to "Komati (caste)". The involved editors should consider the question and come to a judgement. Your discussions are a needless distraction. So please stop, and wait for the others to respond. - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I am understanding, then I am remaining dormant for article in question for two days(few days)

References

I would use Durga Prasad with some caution. Although often cited on Wikipedia, I've never yet seen their stuff cited in any worthwhile modern academic work and strongly suspect it may be rather poor. (And, yes, I've got a copy and I've read it). In any event, WP:NPOV is our guide and all the original research by Mondivadu above is just useless, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 08:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Komatis : Article is Rotten, They are a Caste of Andhra, of Dravidan Tribe, they inherently are neither Aryas nor Vaisyas

1. Komati is a Dravidian TRIBE from Andhra Pradesh in South India. (Tribe means all the people who descended from a single common ancestor) 2. Caste means BREED not a professional organisation 3. Caste is a tribe or BREED i.e. it has a unique Y-chromosome. 5. ARYA VYSYAS ARE NEITHER ARYANS NOR VAISHYAS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.82.93 (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
The Komati tribespeople are native Telugus and Dravidans has been indoctrinated as Trading ClassVysya only recently as 18th century, they thus are neither Aryans( nor speak anything besides Telugu) nor Vysyas by origin, they chose to be indoctrinated only in 18th century, they chose to be indoctrinated as either Priestly class or Trading Class, finally they are now indoctrinated as Trading ClassMondivadu (talk) 01:46, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

There is already an article on Komati (caste). Why is another one needed? - Kautilya3 (talk) 08:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

above 5 points are from http://komaticaste.blogspot.com/2015/08/r-v-russell-british-ethnographer-says.html `27.6.54.7 (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)arkstar

I'm not sure what is going on here among the swathes of comments but the move was plain wrong and I have reverted it. A merge with Komati (caste) might be appropriate but Mondivadu needs to get a grip of WP:V and stop engaging in original research and synthesis. - Sitush (talk) 08:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Komatis Ethnicity(Australoid) and Language Family(Dravidan)

@User:Vin09,@User:Sitush,@User:Joshua Jonathan,@User:Iṣṭa Devatā I have reliable source to prove that we Komatis are not Aryans(who are Caucasoid). We Komatis are Australoid in ethnicity, and we speak Telugu a Dravidan Language Please check for yourself at http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/7/28/table/T1, entry #47 Komati Kindly checkout ethnicity and language family of this group </ref> Therefore it is a point to clarify that we are not related to other castes/sub-castes of Northern India who are primarily Caucasoid, and speak Indo-European languages, otherwise it will amount to misleading, cheating others like other castes Agarawala, Banias, Guptas.

How can one claim to be of a Mongol origin settled in if his/her ethnicity proves be to Caucasoid. This is exactly the case of 1.Komatis(claiming themselves to be Aryan) and, 2.Kapu who claim to be Caucasian when their ethnicity is Australoid. Dravidan languages are generally spoken by ethnic Australoid populations of South India. Keeping this in mind Wikipedia should not entertain fake claims, I as a contributor strongly opine, suggest

1. 49 Kappu Naidu,#50 Kapu Reddy who generally claim to have migrated from north much like Komatis(labeling themselves to be AryaVysysas) seem to be lie blatantly for some personal selfish gains are all Ausraloid in ethnicity.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/7/28/table/T1, 'entry #49 - Kappu Naidu, and #50 - Kapu Reddy'

Indian government should not have had entertain such fictitious claims without prior verification. For sake of comparison for claims about ingenuity of ethnicity of populations from North Indian(Caucasoid Aryans) settled in South India since ages, only 1)Lingayats of Karnataka (speaking Kannada) [#37], and )Iyengar Brahmins of TamilNadu (speaking Tamil) [#35] qualify to have migrated from the north and settled here in south because they are Caucasoid in their ethnicity. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/7/28/table/T1, entry #47 Komati. Ethnic Aryans(Caucasian) in Telugu lands are entry #45 - Andhra Brahmins, (speaking Telugu), Lambadis [#54] are only ethnic Aryans(Caucasian) and speak Indo-European language in Telengana and Andhra Pradesh. Others are just plain imposters

References

Mondivadu (talk) 07:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Where does the Wiki-article state that the Komatis are Aryans? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Removal of the Picture of the Cow and replacing it with Vasavi the caste goddess

The picture of the cow is not relevant to this article and suggest removing them same and replacing it with the Caste goddess which would be more appropriate here.

Present Community

As per my research the Arya Vaishya community is not covered under any reservation policy or Minority welfare schemes by the Indian Government both at Central and State Levels. If you come across any such scheme please include the same under this article.

Thank you!

USer Sitush has started Spamming this Page and request him to justify the reasons for the change?

Present Community Article is very much relevant as its in accordance with the Caste reservations and affirmative action policy as stipulated by the government of India.

If you have any reference or proof of the contrary where Arya Vysyas are under any BC, OBC or SC or ST category or covered under the minority benefits scheme applicable to the Jains. Please reference them instead of vandalising the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiseWik (talk • contribs) 02:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Poverty Amongst Arya Vysya's

The community is very poor and were well to do only for some years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.53.194 (talk) 23:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing meaning of name etc

@Madhurik: you cannot keep adding this without citing a reliable source. Please see the information at WP:V. - Sitush (talk) 07:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)