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Section sizes

Section size for Genocide of Indigenous Australians (12 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	4,650	4,650
Historical context	2,663	2,663
Acts of genocide	6,297	6,297
Legacy and recognition	3,995	3,995
Particular instances	27	8,904
Black War	5,849	5,849
Queensland Aboriginal genocide	3,028	3,028
Current status	675	675
See also	114	114
References	30	9,957
Works cited	9,927	9,927
Further reading	1,536	1,536
Total	38,791	38,791

Utility of the article

Though I would have thought it goes without saying, I am anticipating that some editors on this site might argue against the benefits of an entry on this subject.

In anticipation of the argument that this page could be subsumed within the pages: Frontier Wars, or List of massacres of Indigenous Australians; this page addresses a conceptually distinct topic.

The Frontier Wars page doesn't fully address the topic covered by this article, as it is historically bounded, and primarily only addresses one form of genocide. The list page also isn't wide enough in scope, because it excludes acts of genocide commonly described as such, that aren't massacres; one example being the eugenicist policies of A. O. Neville. Jack4576 (talk) 16:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genocides can not be covered in an article about massacres. The concept of genocide is not limited to killing. Per the main article, it includes causing serious bodily or mental harm to the targeted group, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Dimadick (talk) 20:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Jack4576 (talk) 05:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aboriginals

This rename from "Genocide of Indigenous Australians" to "Australian genocide of Aboriginals" and subsequent rewording of the lead sentence is problematic in that it uses "Aboriginal" as a noun, which is generally considered not appropriate, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Draft style guide1 and Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Conventions/Indigenous draft. It's also problematic in that "Aboriginals" (in the article title) excludes Torres Strait Islanders, but the article scope includes them. I'm not sure what the appropriate fix is (other than reverting). What are the "other articles" with "similar titles"? Mitch Ames (talk) 08:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It is problematic, and should be avoided/reverted. Additionally, there are Indigenous Australians that were subject to genocide (e.g. torres straight islanders) that are not generally identified by the term aboriginal. Jack4576 (talk) 11:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]