Talk:Bernese Alps

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Move to Bernese Alps[edit]

In German, Berner Oberland refers to the part of the canton of Bern that is situated in the Alps, whereas the branch of the Alps that is described in this article and is not confined to the canton of Bern is called Berner Alpen.

There is no reason why the English wikipedia should not translate this distinction. Therefore, this article should be moved to Bernese Alps, and in Bernese Oberland a translation of the corresponding German article should be created. -- j. 'mach' wust ˈtʰɔ̝ːk͡x 18:23, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You're probably right, but I think it's strange that there is no link in the Berner Oberland article to the Berner Alpen, and that the summits of the Berner Alpen are named at Berner Oberland. To me (I'm Dutch) the term Berner Oberland is much better known than Berner Alpen, and I would say that Eiger, Jungfrau etc. are in Berner Oberland. May be the result of tourism propaganda. Markussep 19:02, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Who's gonna make propaganda for a geographical terminus technicus of a specific range of the Alps? The term Berner Oberland is much more common in Switzerland as well. -- j. 'mach' wust ˈtʰɔ̝ːk͡x 19:35, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

support Markussep 21:45, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's a fine distinction, but not a first - "B. Oberland" would be more about the region (more "geographical", if you will), while "B. Alps" would be more about the mountains (more "geological"). I support making the distinction, but it will be hard to phrase the articles such that future editors don't try to re-merge into one. Stan 17:35, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Appearently, this distinction is not problematic on the German wikipedia. Why should it be problematic on the English wikipedia, then? After all, I guess that most who are going to edit these articles will come from Switzerland, where nobody would think of the Bernese Oberland as containing any territory outside the canton of Bern. -- j. 'mach' wust ˈtʰɔ̝ːk͡x 09:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunate past experiences I'm afraid. There are so many English-language editors out there it's quite common for a random semi-educated to come in and scramble things before anybody has a chance to react. In-article explanations are one way to discourage hasty action, and this very discussion should also help, assuming those future editors look at the talk page first. (There are probably cultural reasons underlying - the same reasons why "Ordnung" is not easily translated into English. :-) ) Stan 21:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 18:34, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

old old orthography![edit]

-) There were the pre-1902 spellings Lauithor and Hohthürli! -- j. 'mach' wust ˈtʰɔ̝ːk͡x 08:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Illustrated table?[edit]

Hello. I created a little chart for use in Canton Berne to try to resolve some of the picture-clutter problems they've been having over there, but it doesn't really work in that article. However, someone suggested using it in this article. I notice you already have a chart that is very similar; but mine is illustrated. I could easily update it with the more comprehensive information from the existing chart in this article and put it in here; what do the editors over here think? The chart is currently in my sandbox. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Boundary description inconsistent[edit]

The article describes the boundary of the Bernese Alps thus:

The Rhône valley separates them from the Chablais Alps in the west and from the Pennine Alps in the south; the upper Rhône valley separate them from the Lepontine Alps in the south-east; the Grimsel Pass and the Aar valley separates them from the Urner Alps in the east; their northern edge is not so well defined, describing a line roughly from Lake Geneva to Lake Lucerne.

The last two boundaries do not make sense. If the eastern boundary is defined by the Grimsel Pass and the Aar valley, then the northern boundary cannot get anywhere near Lake Lucerne, which is well to the east of the nearest approach of the Aar/Grimsel line.

I've also noticed that the Brienzer Rothorn is listed amongst the peaks of the Bernese Alps. Surely the above definition (and the map on the page) would put it firmly in the Urner Alps. I'm confused; can somebody help?. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:10, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

It's complicated. Personally I think it is more accurate to reserve the term "Uri Alps" for the two mountain groups Dammastock-Titlis (here in the middle of the map) with the Brünig Pass as the northwestern limit, and the Reuss as the eastern limit. For the range between Lake Thun and Lake Lucerne (only west of the Brünig), with the Brienzer Rothorn and Mount Pilatus, I'd use the term "Emmental Alps" because of the Emmental valley right in the middle of it. I started the page last year and you'll find a map in the German version (a bit old but sourced at least, unlike the map in this article). ZachG (Talk) 15:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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