Talk:Billy Hayes (writer)

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Arts and Entertainment

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group.

Turkey Low‑importance

	Turkey portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Turkey and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkeyWikipedia:WikiProject TurkeyTemplate:WikiProject TurkeyTurkey articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Crime and Criminal Biography Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

New York City Low‑importance

	New York City portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Correction and Detention Facilities (defunct)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Correction and Detention Facilities, a project which is currently considered to be defunct.Correction and Detention FacilitiesWikipedia:WikiProject Correction and Detention FacilitiesTemplate:WikiProject Correction and Detention FacilitiesCorrection and Detention Facilities articles

It is requested that an image or photograph of Billy Hayes (writer) be included in this article to improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific media request template where possible.
The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

Upload

Requested move (old)

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Billy Hayes (smuggler) → Billy Hayes — Billy Hayes is currently a disambiguation page with only one actual link to an article; Billy Hayes (smuggler) of Midnight Express fame. I don't see the point in creating disambiguation pages when no other articles exist with the same name and I would have moved this myself, but recently a similar instance (Walker House) was reverted by an editor, so I'm proposing here first. Saikokira 04:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Add # '''Support''' or # '''Oppose''' on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

Support I think description is out of place next to a person's name. It makes it part of the person's identity. Plus it's a matter of mercy. If it were me, I wouldn't want the negative qualifier glaring at me thirty years after the crime. Telogen 06:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support I support the move because, while he was obviously smuggling according to the movie, he was only convicted of possession, and this was according to the Turkish legal system. Nevertheless, wikipedia parenthetical attributions are usually according to their occupation or their main emphasis for why they are in wikipedia. Perhaps instead of smuggler, it could be (author). Rhetth 14:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey - in opposition to the move

Oppose. It is not clear that this is the primary use. Also the 'description' after the name for the support vote above is not an issue here since that is the standard way to dab an article when there are multiple uses. If the dab is not correct it should be changed and not be used as a reason to make an ill advised move. Vegaswikian 22:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I will support a move to Billy Hayes (writer) since that is what he is today and is more significant then the crime that gave him his start as an author. Vegaswikian 07:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Should this comment be moved to the Support area? Rhetth 14:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Note that the title Billy Hayes (writer) is unobstructed, should a move to that title be desired. --Stemonitis 16:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The requested move to Billy Hayes above did not reach a consensus, but the only opposing opinion was also in support for a move to Billy Hayes (writer), so I'd like to propose that move. Chrisahn (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support For the largest part of his life, Billy Hayes has been working as director, actor and writer. He is probably best known for being a writer. He did smuggle hashish at least once, but it is not clear that smuggling was ever an important part of his life. Also see WP:Biographies of living persons. Chrisahn (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This move remained unobstructed, and as no one objected, I have moved the page per your request. Feel free to be WP:BOLD next time. Dekimasu よ! 05:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - I am not *contesting* the move per se (which was done years ago), but I disagree that Mr. Hayes' article should be classified as a "Billy Hayes (writer and actor)". The guidelines do indeed encourage Wikipedians to be bold, however, the guidelines on WP:BLP specify that the subject is notable (read- what it is that made that person famous or noteworthy). And Mr. Hayes was originally notable because of his Turkish smuggling activity. This eventually led to his writing about his experiences in prison. However, most readers who need to look up an article about Mr. Hayes will not know him for his acting, if the reader knows about the book then the reader will likely look up an article entry for Midnight Express (the book) not the author. Anyone looking at the article for the book or movie will still think Mr. Hayes = smuggling, not acting! What I'd like to see is a move that includes smuggling in the parentheses (include the writing and acting, if you wish, but include smuggling) please! SeaBeeDee 19:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC) SeaBeeDee 19:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBeeDee (talk • contribs)

Whitelisting

In early March, Outrate.net was blacklisted for adding too many links to Wikipedia, which represented a COI according to Wikipedia policies. But this has meant that a number of valid Outrate.net links were automatically removed.

Our lengthy interview with Billy Hayes (Aug 05) was removed from the Interviews and External Links section of your Billy Hayes page. The deep link to the interview is here: outrate.net/billyhayes.html

I believe you are able to replace this link, if you would like to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.253.33.127 (talk) 23:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Billy Hayes (writer). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121103095240/http://channel.nationalgeographic.com:80/channel/videos/the-real-midnight-express/? to http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/videos/the-real-midnight-express/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]