Talk:Biwako Line

Kilometers from Tokyo

I can't agree the revert by Neier for my writing. I wonder he has read the JR timetable books published in Japan, from JTB Corporation or JR Group. They shows the amount of kilometers of total distance from Tokyo Station to Moji Station in Sanyo Main Line, this is a tradition from JNR period. So, at least, it's needed that the two data which I wrote. Rc21 01:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't doubt that it's correct but what's the relevance? Ytny (talk) 03:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The correctness is not why I deleted it. There are some details (fare information, schedules) which should not be in an encyclopedia. The distances from a known point (the terminus of each line) is borderline; but, writing about how a book derives its numbers is not something we need in Wikipedia. If we had an article about the timetable itself, it might be appropriate in a history section. But, it has no relevance to the line itself, except as for travellers are concerned; and for that, we have WikiTravel. Neier 10:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

In Japan, the nationwide timetable book is one of the most important and popular books, not for only a few railway funs. According to "Timetable" in Japanese Wiki (ja:時刻表), it takes about 800 thousands of JTB regular size timetable, with over 1000 pages, in every month (JR Group also publishes 700 thousands), and it's over two million ones when JR makes a large improvement about its time schedule. Almost companies and travellers keep it for making plans or counting its fees, and they're familiar to use it, the total distance from Tokyo station, in Tokaido and Sanyo lines. Though JNR turned into divided JR group, it remains as a custom, and it's used till now. But, I don't think we should add new statue besides "From Maibara". And, it's simple but best method for subscribe the further detail about this line, adding with short supplement. Rc21 20:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The popularity of the timetable books are not being disputed. But, the relevance to this article is still not clear. Why not also mention that the JTB timetable book (the small, 500 yen version) does not list Biwako line at all, but, only the 山陽本線•東海道本線　from Maibara -> Osaka -> Okayama? It seems just as important. Also, since the ja:琵琶湖線 article doesn't mention this fact, it makes me think even less of it as a trivia item. Nevertheless, I cleaned up the wording, to try and make it have some sort of encyclopedic value. Neier 07:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

They're not official names in law, but often used nicknames by West JR - Biwako Line, JR Kyoto Line, JR Kobe Line, Sagano Line (in San'in Line), and so on. JTB makes the pages about Tokaido and Sanyo Main Line, divided at Atami and Maibara, according to the border of three JR companies, and Okayama in West JR area. It's editorial reason, same both regular and shortened versions. But, as already I wrote, the base point for counting total distance with each stations is still fixed on Tokyo Station, since early 20th century, and generally it's used now in Japanese society. So, I can't agree your reason to delete this explanation. It's still useful information to subscribe this Biwako Line, same as JR Kyoto Line and JR Kobe Line. I posted a question about this discussion in Japanese version, and want to know how it's thought among Japanese Wikipedians. Rc21 09:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Why there is no relevance of distances from Tokyo but from Maibara, Neier and/or Ytny? It is just a nickname of a part of Tokaido Line, together with JR Kyoto Line. Maxima m 17:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC) Minor edit Maxima m 06:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The table has never been changed. That is, the distances have always been from Maibara. I think that the distances between each station are useful; and, the distances from the base point on the line are somewhat useful (to see how far apart two stations are, you either have to add all the intermediate numbers, or subtract the two numbers for each station. (that is, from Ōtsu to Azuchi is 57.7-24.9=32.8 km). With the distances from Tokyo, the same thing is still possible; although, it is less obvious to the casual reader why it is important. By listing the distance from a point on the line, the numbers make sense to everyone (and, are smaller, so easier to do the math). Neier 07:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanx, Neier. Yes, indeed, the distancce is important. But why not from Tokyo? Distances from Tokyo tells eloquently, if listed, that Biwako Line is just a section of Tokaido Line, and could suggest that the 500 yen timetable does not list the name. Further, JR West itself uses a distance from Tokyo when it needs locaction on the line. The table of ja:琵琶湖線 is somehow misleading, I must say. --Maxima m 15:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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