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This one does not work. It needs looking at by someone who knows what the references is about. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Link leads to unarchiveable page ("Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt."). Will re-mark as dead link. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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Location of outdoor[edit]

Re: "In order to further these outdoor activities, the BSA has four high-adventure bases that operate in Florida, Minnesota, New Mexico, West Virginia, Manitoba, and Ontario."

Should this be changed to say 4 in United States of America & 2 in Canada?

Thanks!! Alandjeffagain (talk) 01:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

You're right, that is a confusing sentence, but the BSA only has four bases: Philmont, Northern Tier, Seabase, and the Summit. Northern Tier happens to be in Minnesota, Manitoba, and Ontario which is where the confusion is coming from. I changed it to read "In order to further these outdoor activities, the BSA has four high-adventure bases: Northern Tier (Minnesota, Manitoba, and Ontario), Philmont Scout Ranch (New Mexico), Sea Base (Florida), and Summit Bechtel Reserve (West Virginia)." Deflagro Contribs/Talk 18:19, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Does anybody know how much money the mormans have contributed to the Boy Scouts?[edit]

to answer, click edit.74.221.154.43 (talk) 19:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC) 74.221.154.43 (talk) 19:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

First it is Mormons and second this would be impossible to know given that one isn't required to state one's religion when donating (or to answer the literal question you asked no). In addition talk pages aren't for asking questions about the topic but rather for improving the article; you might have better luck asking on a site dedicated to asking questions. --Erp (talk) 05:00, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Add Honorary President?[edit]

Should Trump be added as honorary president of the BSA to the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlitherySentinel (talkcontribs) 01:18, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Personally I don't think it's important enough to add Honorary President. It's mentioned further down in the article that the US President has served as the Honorary President since 1910. Several other organizations do this as well. Deflagro Contribs/Talk 15:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

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atheists and scouting[edit]

I note there have been recent changes by Ctlemon83 (talk · contribs) stating that the belief that atheists and agnostics cannot join the BSA is a misconception. I also note that in the user's comments on a change in a different article he states "I am a Director of Exploring for the National Service Center" which could be a potential conflict of interest. He references the existence of Buddhists and also the recent MOU with the UUA. However the MOU seems to cover only UUA units or possibly also those who are members of the UUA. It has also been historically true that the BSA has kicked out many avowed atheists and that atheists have been denigrated. For example a 2014 article in Scouting Magazine (https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/10/03/belief-in-god-scouting/). I think we need a discussion about how to handle this issue both here and in related articles such as Boy Scouts of America membership controversies --Erp (talk) 04:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I am the user referenced above. The Memorandum of Understanding between the BSA and the Unitarian Universalist Association does give authority to the local UU congregation in determining the spiritual welfare of participants and specifically states that neither the BSA nor the UUA can supercede that authority. The MOU also clearly identifies "Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science" as acceptable.[1]
It is true that avowed atheists have been removed from Scouting historically however this MOU was signed in 2016 and is still not very well known. I agree that the MOU only covers participants in Unitarian Universalist congregations and I included that in the content I edited on the BSA Wikipedia page. It does not cover participants in units chartered by organizations other than Unitarian Universalist.
I am a Director of Exploring at the BSA/LFL National Service Center in Texas but I'm not sure why that would be a conflict of interest when editing content about the organization.Ctlemon83 (talk) 05:06, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

References

You might want to look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Wikipedia has had trouble in the past with articles that look more like commercials so it likes editors to be up front and to avoid the appearance of conflict; however, you can be a valuable resource. There is also the question on how much to put here and how much to put on the Boy Scouts of America membership controversies articles; here should mostly be a quick summary with the details in the other article. I am aware of the MOU; I'm also aware that not all UUs are happy with it since UU scouts and scouters still have to sign that they agree with the Declaration of Religious Principle. It also seems to be still true that honest atheists whether humanist or UU (though not probably Buddhist or Jewish {there is no requirement to believe in God in the Jewish religious emblem programs}) will still be kicked out if found in non-UU units. By the way when you stated "as well as Earth-centered religions" does that mean followers of Earth-centered religions are not welcome elsewhere? I know that Covenant of the Goddess groups were denied permission to charter units and that the Hart and Crescent religious emblem was denied recognition in the 1990s. --Erp (talk) 06:14, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
ERP IMO the MOA should be stated as it is. Respectfully, IMO your "only in UU" statement is an unsourced derivation by yourself. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:48, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Have you read the MOU? All the "resolves" are about "units chartered by congregations of the UUA" or "UUA member congregations" or the national organization ("UUA") which is understandable given that an MOU is an agreement between two groups. However extensive quoting really belongs in the controversy article. --Erp (talk) 03:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Name history[edit]

Today I read that the organization is changing its name so as to include girls. I seem to recall that there was a period in the 1980's or so during which the name was "Scouts of America". If the memory is correct, it would be worthwhile to have a little section on the history of the names of the organization.CountMacula (talk) 00:45, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

The organization as a whole is not changing its name (at least yet.) They are only changing the name of a portion of the program, the portion for 11-18 year old kids. The overall organization is still going to go by the name Boy Scouts of America.Marauder40 (talk) 12:38, 3 May 2018 (UTC)