Talk:Fred Murree

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A fact from Fred Murree appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 November 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Pawnee professional roller skater Bright Star was called "the fastest man on wheels"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bright Star (roller skater).

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 13:52, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Bright Star was a Pawnee professional roller skater for nearly 70 years? Source: 1879 career beginning: https://www.newspapers.com/image/599264187/
1948 retirement: https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Music/Billboard-IDX/IDX/1948/Billboard-1948-06-05-OCR-Page-0076.pdf

ALT1:... that Bright Star was exiled by the US government, then became a professional roller skater? Source: https://history.nebraska.gov/sites/history.nebraska.gov/files/doc/publications/NH1989Skater.pdf
ALT2:... that Pawnee professional roller skater Bright Star has been called "the fastest man on wheels"? Source: https://archive.org/details/completebookofro00phil/page/184/mode/2up

Created by Jno.skinner (talk). Self-nominated at 05:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: No QPQ needed, 4th DYK nom. I see "Walking and traveling by pony, the family reached Boston", while the source only mentions the pony, not the walking. But my main issue is with the page title: I don't see a single reference to him as "Bright Star", they are all as "Fred B. Murree", "Fred Murree", or "Fred "Bright Star" Murree". Since Fred Murree is a red link, I think we should move this page to that title (and leave the current Bright Star (roller skater) as a redirect there). We should call a person what most reliable sources call them. That shouldn't disqualify the DYK, but is kind of a big deal. GRuban (talk) 01:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I chose to use the page title "Bright Star" because that is how the subject identified himself in promotional material and correspondence. Observing that other performers like Madonna and Prince, and other native people like Wovoka are titled with their chosen names, I figured that was the standard practice. You are indeed correct that the subject is mainly referred to as "Fred Murree" by sources. I'm open to whatever Wikipedia's governing policy is on this quesiton. Jno.skinner (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but the page needs to be moved to Fred Murree and the lead changed to Fred Murree, also known as Bright Star per WP:COMMONNAME. The Early life section should begin: He was born Bright Star... I will take care of adjusting this template after the page move. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Yoninah for pointing to the correct policy on this. I have moved the page and changed the opening line per you suggestion. I did not however write He was born Bright Star... because the sources do not indicate the subject's name at birth. It is not clear if "Bright Star" is a given name or a stage name. Jno.skinner (talk) 00:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking care of that. I tidied up some links to other pages and also formatted this template after the page move. Restoring tick per GRuban's review. Yoninah (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers.com refs

@Jno.skinner: Your Newspapers.com subscription enables you to clip articles for public viewing. I have done that for you for footnote 8. Please clip the other Newspapers.com articles that you cited. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: That's good to know about, thanks! I've changed the citations.

WWI ??

I know the ref saves he served in WWI, but he'd have been about 56. Not Likely. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 70.161.8.90 (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good call. It is not impossible that he was a military code talker or that he performed entertainment for soldiers (though the USO didn't exist until WWII). It does demand some further explanation, however. Jno.skinner (talk) 20:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]