Talk:British Home Championship

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1977 Pitch Invasion

although at the height of Football hooliganism, I was not aware that there were any deaths or injuries like Heysel, Hillsborough etc. mostly Scotland fans stealing souvenirs for themselves. Perhaps a policing nightmare, but i was not aware that this was considered a particularly heinous act of hooliganism?

From memory, it was of major significance in making football hooliganism a 'law and order' issue. First, it was broadcast live on TV, at tea-time on a Saturday afternoon, and got a lot of time on the TV news. Second, it happened in London, not in Scotland, or some Northern working class place. Third, the hooligans were identifiably outsiders (they had dark blue shirts on and wore kilts and spoke an unidentifable language). Fourth, it was violent and frightening, even if the violence was aimed mostly at the goalposts. It made for easy copy for the Sunday papers. Neil Leslie 10:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Total Wins - Ireland

Why is Ireland not included in the list of total wins? --Drgs100 17:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Their wins are included in Northern Ireland's. Feel free to clarify it. Modest Genius ^talk 01:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland into Northern Ireland

This page implies that the IFA team became Northern Ireland from 1950 but Northern Ireland national football team says The IFA objected and in 1954 was permitted to continue using the name Ireland, and to select players from throughtout the island in the non-FIFA regulated British Home Championship. Is this correct and how long did it last for? Timrollpickering 16:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm

The name bit is true; the exact year it played as NI in the BHC I'm not sure of. See Talk:Ireland national football team (IFA)#Change of team name.

What year to mark the change from in this article's table? Dunno. I'd suggest 1953 till an exact ref for the end-date turns up.

the player selection right might have been true in theory, but it never happened in practice. Discussed at Talk:Ireland national football team (IFA)#Current Status section deleted. There were subsequent eligibility restrictions from the 1960s,aimed mainly at Oriundi,which would perhaps have affected whatever residual rights the IFA had theoretically retained.

I've changed the Northern Ireland national football team article, and I hope there won't be discrepancies between it and Ireland national football team (IFA); there is a danger of these two articles becoming a POV fork. jnestorius^(talk) 17:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be easier to treat this as a competition between associations? We know those for certain Fasach Nua (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's ridiculous calling the Ireland teams that participated before 1921 "N.Ireland" before Northern Ireland even existed as a state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.201.240 (talk) 06:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first match programme produced by the Irish Football Association for a home international which stated Northern Ireland rather than just 'Ireland' was 01st May 1957 against Portugal. Killultagh (talk) 12:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was against international opposition. In the British Championship the team took part as "Ireland" until the 1970s. The last home match played as Ireland was 1978 versus Scotland^[1]. However, apart from this match, all matches had been played as "Northern Ireland" since the 1973-74 tournament.^[2]. In the 1972-73 tournament, the first two matches were played as "Ireland" and the third as "Northern Ireland". In the 1971-72 tournament, the first was played as "Ireland" and the second and third as "Northern Ireland". 1970-71 was the last tournament in which all matches were played under the name "Ireland".^[3]. I think it's reasonable to say that "Ireland" was used continously until 1970-71. I've amended the article accordingly. Mooretwin (talk) 22:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

The Scots were never World Champions

It was only a claim, a joke, and should be titled as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.100.206 (talk) 16:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Goal Difference

I see Goal Difference is listed in the pages with the final tables, but Goal Difference wasn't introduced until the 1970s, these need to be edited down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifcp1 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh Flag 1953-59

Why is the Red Dragon not used between 1953 and 1959? I have never once seen this flag used to refer to Wales and it doesn't appear to denote Wales on any other pages such as the Five Nations, The 1958 World Cup etc. Blogdroed (talk) 11:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Did this competition really start in 1883-4?

I'm looking at contemporary newspaper reports of the final Scotland v Wales match in the 1883-4 championship, in which Scotland purportedly secured the first "championship". Not a single report mentions anything about Scotland becoming the winner of a tournament / competition. They treat it as an isolated match between Scotland and Wales -- often listing previous matches between Scotland and Wales and mentioning Scotland's superior record in matches between those two teams, but there is nothing about Scotland being the best home nation team that year. Was this recognized as a competition between all four home nations only in retrospect? Grover cleveland (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an example -- admittedly a brief report (chosen because easy to screenshot) -- but notice how it mentions that the FA Cup final (which, bizarrely, took place the same day) was the "match for the association cup", but says nothing about any prize available to Scotland. Grover cleveland (talk) 04:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Use of goal difference is an anachronism

While I understand the temnptation to come up with a definitive ordering for each tournament, the use of goal difference here constitutes Original Research, unless we can come up with reliable sources that actually order the teams in this way. Grover cleveland (talk) 22:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree in principle, but in practical terms how would you display those on the same points in the table (alphabetical order would always falsely imply visually that England finished higher than the others...)? Crowsus (talk) 23:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ireland v Scotland programme

[2] Match programmes 1972-75

[3] Northern Ireland programmes 1968-72

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