Talk:Bronze Age of Comic Books

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To make the article consistent in all its parts Amazing Spider-Man 96-98, discussed in Origins should appear as key issues. The licensing of Conan was a new development at Marvel, it led to further licensing as well as movie adaptations. Therefore one of the key characteristics of the Bronze age was the introduction of other media in comics' content (film, music, pulp novels). --Leocomix 16:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's simply not true. Gold Key Comics, Dell Comics, DC Comics, and various other companies published extensive runs of characters from other media in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. Tarzan, Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, Flash Gordon, and numerous other characters were adapted from film, cartoons, and radio. The Adventures of Bob Hope and The Adventures of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis were long running titles featuring real actors in comic book adventures. Even to say "The licensing of Conan was a new development at Marvel" isn't true. Marvel licensed characters back in the 1940s, they published a Mighty Mouse comic in 1946! Mtminchi08 (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minority super-heroes

I removed characters for the following reasons: Warpath appeared as a villain late in the Bronze Age and was already a carbon copy of Thunderbird who is rightly mentioned. So he cannot be described as typical of the Bronze Age. The trend of featuring minorities/international characters in groups started with New X-Men, was copied in New Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, in Teen Titans, then in New Mutants, then in Hellions (where Warpath appeared). So he is not more characteristic of this trend than, say, Mirage. Sunfire was a Japanese, not a minority character and first appeared as a villain in late 1969. He is not part of the trend of minority super-heroes. Karma also first appeared as an opponent in Marvel Team-up. Now, if someone wants to put Mirage and Karma in the list, fine, but by the time of the New Mutants, minority characters was an established fact.--Leocomix 17:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Truly a man With brain's Titans titanium (talk) 22:09, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Key issues, what defines an age

I removed several of the X-Men issues. Things like 2nd appearance of New X-Men, first appearance of Wolverine are not issues that defined the bronze age. The appearance of Wolverine in Hulk has nothing to do with the character's later prominence. The character evolved so much in th eearly years that Claremont had to rewrite/retcon the early X-Men stories when they were reprinted in Classic X-Men. As created in Hulk by Len Wein and Herb Trimpe he was supposed to be a High Evolutionary evolved wolverine. Because that was the origin used for Spider-Woman, Claremont chose to create (or rather hint at) a new one. The character as he exists now is due to developments created progressively by Cockrum (redesign of costume, physical appearance), Claremont (shrouded origin, relationship with Sabretooth), Byrne (hairy look on arms and chest), Miller (samurai background). As a difference, Punisher and Elektra have remained essentially the same. If we want to add X-Men issues, we should think more in terms of innovations. Giant-Size X-Men introduced the first international team. The death of Phoenix rocked the world of comics as it was unexpected (and was not the end planned by Claremont and Byrne). The death of Thunderbird was the first planned death of a team founding member. Up to now no main character had been created to die.

Actually, the article had been written too much from the viewpoint of what is now prominent. That is why I included Disappearing genres (from earlier ages) and included trends introduced during the Bronze Age but that didn't last. This also makes it easy to decide whether the Bronze Age finished or not. In the Bronze Age, the shared universe was consolidated. Thomas, Englehart and others introduced Golden Age super-heroes, cow-boys, teenage romance characters and Atlas monsters in the Marvel Universe while DC continued buying other companies. Crisis on infinite earths is both a consolidation and a creation of a new shared universe A characteristic of the Age following is the creation of new shared super-hero universes: Eclipse, Marvel's New Universe, 2099 universe, Image, Awesome, Wildstorm, Dark Horse super-hero universe, Malibu universe, Heroes Reborn, Ultimate, MC2 universe, Bill Black's AC comics, America's Best Comics, Topps comics, Albion and this goes to DC which has now a multiverse. Therefore the creation of the New Universe in 1986 is a better cut-off point for Marvel.

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[1]Why it's a reliable source - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Key issues of the Bronze Age

Moved from article. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 22:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Key Comics

Title	Issue	Publisher	Relevance
Amazing Spider-Man	96-98	Marvel	Drug issues
Amazing Spider-Man	101	Marvel	1st appearance of Morbius, first vampire of Comics Code Authority era
Amazing Spider-Man	121	Marvel	Death of Gwen Stacy
Amazing Spider-Man	122	Marvel	Death of Green Goblin
Amazing Spider-Man	124	Marvel	1st appearance of Man-Wolf
Amazing Spider-Man	129	Marvel	1st appearance of Punisher
Amazing Spider-Man	149	Marvel	1st appearance of Spider-Man's Clone
Conan the Barbarian	1	Marvel	1st appearance and origin of Conan in comics. Marvel expands into sword and sorcery comics
Conan the Barbarian	23	Marvel	1st appearance Red Sonja
Daredevil	158	Marvel	Frank Miller pencils on Daredevil for the first time
Daredevil	168	Marvel	1st appearance of Elektra
Daredevil	181	Marvel	Death of Elektra
Giant-Size X-Men	1	Marvel	1st appearance of New X-Men
Incredible Hulk	181	Marvel	1st full appearance of Wolverine
Iron Fist	14	Marvel	1st appearance of Sabretooth
Iron Man	55	Marvel	1st appearance Thanos and Drax (key cosmic characters)
Luke Cage, Hero for Hire	1	Marvel	1st appearance of Luke Cage, 1st series starring an African American superhero
Marvel Feature	1	Marvel	1st appearance and origin of The Defenders. New super-team for 1970s
Marvel Premiere	15	Marvel	1st appearance and Origin of Iron Fist
Marvel Spotlight	2	Marvel	1st appearance Werewolf By Night
Marvel Spotlight	5	Marvel	1st appearance and Origin of Ghost Rider
Special Marvel Edition	15	Marvel	1st appearance Master of Kung Fu (Shang-Chi)
Star Wars	1	Marvel	One of the most popular books of late '70s
The Tomb of Dracula	1	Marvel	1st appearance of Dracula in comics. Marvel expands into horror
The Tomb of Dracula	10	Marvel	1st appearance of Blade
Werewolf By Night	32	Marvel	1st appearance of Moon Knight
X-Men	137	Marvel	Death of Phoenix
X-Men	94	Marvel	New X-Men begin: Colossus, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird, Storm, Wolverine and Banshee join
All-Star Western	10	DC Comics	1st appearance of Jonah Hex
Batman	232	DC Comics	1st appearance of Ra's Al Ghul
Crisis on Infinite Earths	7	DC Comics	Death of Supergirl
Crisis on Infinite Earths	8	DC Comics	Death of Barry Allen
DC Comics Presents	26	DC Comics	1st appearance of the New Teen Titans
Detective Comics	400	DC Comics	1st appearance of Man-Bat with Neal Adams art
First Issue Special	8	DC Comics	1st appearance of The Warlord by Mike Grell
Green Lantern/Green Arrow	76	DC Comics	Social issues addressed
House of Secrets	92	DC Comics	1st appearance of Swamp Thing by Len Wein and Bernie Wrightson
New Gods	1	DC Comics	Jack Kirby creates the Fourth World
Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen	134	DC Comics	1st appearance of Darkseid
Swamp Thing	1	DC Comics	Swamp Thing series begins
Wonder Woman	178	DC Comics	Wonder Woman loses her powers and changes her image
Cerebus The Aardvark	1	Aardvark-Vanaheim	Rare book, 1st appearance of Cerebus

This part of art style

Starting with Neal Adams' work in Green Lantern/Green Arrow a new sophisticated realism became the norm in the industry. Buyers would no longer be interested in the heavily stylized work of artists of the Silver Age or simpler cartooning of the Golden Age. The so-called "House Styles" of DC and Marvel became imitations of Adams' work and more realistic versions of Kirby's respectively.

Well, i agree, in the 70s the stylys changed, but for example Curt Swan, probably DCs nr. 1 house style artist, didn't change much at all, only his panels got more experimental, simply because even long before Adams influence became apparent he was probably the most realistic artist of the silver age, his anatomy was always perfect, his faces looked realistic and had more than 3 expressions, his sets were always drawn in a manner that they looked as there were actually people working there (daily planet for example) and more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.34.147.218 (talk) 21:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Cyborg as leader?

I don't remember Cyborg taking control until the turn of the century, when he mentored a new generation of sidekicks. I could be wrong. It's been so long since the 80s. But did he really lead the team that early? Thetrellan (talk) 21:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I could not agree more Titans titanium (talk) 22:07, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Artists

Nestor Redondo, Jose Luis Garcia Lopez, and others did start in bronze age, may have done more of their work in the later period. worth considering adding. i added rich buckler, who created deathlok and was a successor to Kirby on FF, one of the key silver age books that ushered in bronze with the loss of kirby. 69.216.101.196 (talk) 06:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]