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His legal name can be founded in an academic book: How Sex Got Screwed Up: The Ghosts that Haunt Our Sexual Pleasure - Book Two: From Victoria to Our Own Times. Pro-LGBT sources already published his legal name. [1][2] Therefore we should include his legal name per WP:BLPNAME. Sharouser (talk) 17:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the relevant guideline here is MOS:GENDERID. Specifically, was Buck notable under his former name? If no, then we don't include it. If yes, then it should be introduced with "born" or "formerly" in the lead sentence only. Everywhere else in the article should use his current name.
Striked the above as I realised I misread the original post, and was confusing former name with legal name. TIL Buck Angel is his stage name. Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually upon further reflection, at least some of this is relevant. I went searching through the MOS, and the relevant guidelines appear to be MOS:NAME, MOS:PSEUDONYM, and WP:STAGENAME. I've also taken a brief look at a handful of contemporary celebrities, both within and without the porn industry. Outside the porn industry the common format is <Legal Name>, <birthdate>, better known by their stage name <stage name>. Checking the list of pornographic performers, some articles use that format or slight variations of it (eg Rocco Reed, Paul Baxendale-Walker, Johnny Hazzard), however many do not (eg, Christian XXX, Mr Pete, Brian Pumper). It's hard to tell at a glance whether the articles that do not list the legal names do so because of notability, or whether it is unknown.
So on the whole I'm torn. While we have clear guidelines in the MOS, it is not unusual within this category to not mention legal name. I'm leaning towards notability being the deciding factor, and for Buck the legal name seems to be not notable? That said I'm open to convincing either way. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I'm leaning against right now is that the name is being reported from legal documents, rather than any sort of profile of the person. Your example of Rocco Reed has the birth name unsourced, and the DoB sourced to user generated content. I removed both. I removed the DoB from Johnny Hazzard as unsourced as well. The whole topic area is rife with poor sourcing and BLP issues. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's also a topic area where having no public mention of the legal name, and relying solely upon stage name isn't unreasonable. While we've become more accepting of pornography and sex workers in general, there are still plenty of reasons why a performer would not want their legal or birth name publicised or mentioned in any way.
On the topic of Buck, that seems to be my read on the sourcing as well, at least outside of the unreliable Daily Mail that I mentioned below. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:41, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]