Talk:Cannabis and sex/Archives/2024

Requested move 5 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lightoil (talk) 05:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Cannabis and sex → Cannabis and sexuality – I believe the title "Cannabis and sex" could also imply the constitution of rape regarding those who are under the influence of cannbis while performing sexual acts. (Edit: Or, as WhatamIdoing has stated, cannabis' relationship to biological sex.) For specifics, it may be best to rename the article so that it implies only cannbis' relation to sexual pleasure, rather than solely sex.

Edit: It is apparent that "Cannabis and sensuality" (the title originally posed) is also not a great title, as stated by BarrelProof below, due to a misconception of mine. I apologize for this. I have not edited the move request because I do not know if I am permitted to revoke it.

I believe the following are better alternatives:
Option A: "Cannabis and sexuality"
Option B: "Cannabis as an aphrodisiac"
Option C: "Effects of Cannabis on sex"
Option D being oppose any change at all. Urropean (talk) 17:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose: The suggested title is too vague and euphemistic, and rape seems sufficiently distinct from sex. It might be OK to change "sex" to "sexuality". Also, "Cannibis" is a misspelling. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the feedback. "Cannabis and sexuality" may be preferred by some.

  And while sex and rape are distinct, my first understanding of the title made me believe the article would regard the definition of rape, or arguments against defining intoxicated sex as rape, etc.

  I furthermore wouldn't consider "sensuality" to be euphemistic. I use this word because it particularly refers to sexual pleasure. Whereas "sex" and "sexuality" are quite similar words. Urropean (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

  See wikt:sensuality. The definitions of sensuality, sensual and sensuous do not refer to sexuality or sexual pleasure. An example given is massage, which is often not sexual. While sensuality may sometimes refer to sexual pleasure, it has a broader meaning, and often does not. The meaning of sexuality is also a bit broad and complicated, as it includes aspects that do not seem relevant this article, such as sexual orientation, sexual identity, and social and spiritual aspects. Sex seems like more of a simple and straightforward word. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

  Ah, thank you for bringing this definition to my attention. My understanding of sensuality has always been "sexual pleasure," especially with the definitions provided by Oxford and Cambridge, which each affirm this, to my knowledge. Perhaps it's outdated or there's a lack of consensus... My apologies. I agree that sexuality may also be too broad. The only other fitting word which comes to mind is eroticism.

  Another potential page name I see fit is "Cannabis as an aphrodisiac" (aphrodisiac in the sense of "a stimulant that increases sexual pleasure") or "Effects of cannabis on sex." How do we feel about these?

  I believe this is a significant contender. It seems less vague to me than simply "Cannabis and sex," as this implies "Cannabis' relationship to sex," while the page exclusively details theories that cannabis can amplify pleasure, and doesn't fit this vague title. The opening sentence is "Marijuana use is commonly thought to enhance sexual pleasure."

  I hope this suggestion proves better: Less vague or euphemistic, and more fitting towards the article's endeavor. Urropean (talk) 20:10, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Note that the spelling error referred to above was later corrected. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Cannabis has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Medicine has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Sexology and sexuality has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• oppose motivation is purely wp:or all the sources use 'sex' none use 'sensuality'—blindlynx 00:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• "Sex" can also mean male vs female, so I agree with Urropean that the existing title is ambiguous. I wonder if some people occasionally arrive at this page expecting to find information on the Sex ratio of users. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't think the nomination makes much sense as it doesn't imply rape in the slightest. This is the obvious best title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Disagree with move to Cannabis and sensuality, but open to Cannabis and sexuality. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Disagree w/ move per Another Believer--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: The original move request posed "Cannabis and sensuality". This has been updated as users do not seem to understand it has since changed -- multiple options are now mentioned in the thread. Please choose from the options presented. Urropean (talk) 16:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Option D/disagree. There is some ambiguity with the current name, but there would similarly be ambiguity with options A and C. Option B would be imprecise, as the article is not just about a potential aphrodisiac effect. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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