Talk:Christianity in Iraq

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Original Research[edit]

This source,[1], National Geographic Magazine, does not state, Christians are suffering from lack of security since the invasion in 2003.. This article is about Christianity in Iraq, not Christians in the Levant.

Also, this sentence, The vast majority of them live in the capital Baghdad and in Mosul, is not supported by the National Geographic article.

Both have been tagged for requests for quotations. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

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The entire section was written for propaganda purposes. A lot of unreliable sources were added, such as AINA, personal essays, blogs etc. Majority of them were deleted. Also, the section contained a lot of unrelated parts, mainly copy-pasted directly from other sources. The article was probably a target of hostile user who wanted to spread anti-Kurdish propaganda. You are free to comment and propose more edits. Ferakp (talk) 19:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Please explain how AINA is unreliable source and Kurdish news sources such as RUDAW are not? If you think AINA is not reliable then RUDAW news sources must also be unreliable. Please do not remove material again on false pretext, and without explaining why the source is not reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.92.17.129 (talk) 19:41, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Rudaw is also not a reliable source, you are free to delete all those sections which use Rudaw. AINA is absolutely not a reliable source, it has been discussed several times on Wikipedia. Read WP:RELIABILITY page to understand the criteria.Ferakp (talk) 23:15, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive editing[edit]

Dear user 81.92.17.129.

Sources you add are unreliable and are not possible to user as sources. Also, many sections you have added are not sources at all and they need usually multiple reliable sources, as they are very high claims. Ferakp (talk) 10:24, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Ethnicity and religion[edit]

It appears that there are editors who do not clearly understand the different concepts/categories of ethnicity on the one hand and of religious affiliation on the other hand. Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians, Arabs constitute ethnicities. "Christian", "Orthodox", "Syriac", "Catholic", "Chaldean", "Evangelical", "Muslim", "Sunni", "Shia" et al are terms for religious affiliation. While there apparently are empirical associations of concrete ethnicities with concrete religious affiliations, a serious article must not confuse the the two different concepts/categories. Please watch the language in editing. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 10:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Edits[edit]

The user added a lot of claims using unreliable sources such as AINA and Medium. Also, user involved in cherry picking and misinterpretation of sources. Majority of edits were against WP rules so, the only solution was restoring to the previous stable section. Thus, I ask the same user to use reliable sources and avoid cherry picking, misinterpretation of sources and removing sourced content. Ferakp (talk) 03:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding two more things to my comment: the user has also deliberately written claims that are not mentioned in his/her sources and also involved in WP:ORIGINAL.Ferakp (talk) 03:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Please give examples of what is cherry picking. Without giving examples of where exactly there is a problem and why you are just vandalizing pages.
And AINA is not unreliable, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_216#AINA_.28Assyrian_International_News_Agency.29

Please can you comment on the deletions of human rights issues by user Ferakp: @Attar-Aram syria: @Shadow4dark: @GGT: @Opdire657:@عمرو بن كلثوم:@Beshogur:@213.74.186.109:

AINA is just one of the sources you use, there are other sources like Medium.com.
One of your edit was duplicate.
Hasakah looting is using Medium.com as a source, which is not reliable. Another problem is that it's in Syria, not in Iraq which means it doesn't belong to this article.
Problem with your Helena Sawa paragraph is that, you didn't add everything(cherry picking). Your source says that the case is not solved and the another problem is that it's from 1998. When I added incidents to the article (for example to the Iraq section), I dropped all incidents that occurred before 2003. This is because Iraq before and after 2003 are not same. Also, incidents like this are less relevant than others. If I add similar incidents like this to the Iraq section, the article won't be readable anymore. That doesn't mean you can't add it to the article, you can add it by just simply making a new section for incidents before 2003 (my opinion).
Your The New York Times reported that after Christians had to flee.. edit is not related to the 2011 riots at all. It's not also supporting your claim. What you wrote is simply WP:ORIGINAL and cherry picking.
You have added an essay about 2011 Dohuk Riots while it has its own page 2011 Dohuk riots and it was already mentioned shortly.
You are cherry picking, involving in WP:ORIGINAL, deliberately misinterpreting sources and using unreliable sources. That's not all, you are pinging users who had previously problems with my edits(2015-2016) which means you have very likely been here for a while and either blocked or socketpuppeting.
Despite that, I am ready to help you with your edits.
Ferakp (talk) 00:22, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanations. I will check about medium.com. Consensus is that AINA is reliable source (link above). Finding out about your previous conflicts with other users needs only a simple wikipedia search. --87.189.128.73 (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Problems with newest changes[edit]

Dear user 87.189.128.73,

You had following problems with your edits:

[2]: This is already mentioned above in History and Post-war situation sections, more neutrally. It's a very big claim to say "Kurds took their land "and even their daughters". You are talking about all Kurds, be careful. Who exactly took Assyrians land, which tribe, militia or groups are you talking about? Tor Abdin is in Turkey not Iraq. You can't add Turkey-related incidents to this article.

The source is professor Martin Bruinessen, an established authority, and the sentence refered to one city (only to the Kurds at that city).

[3]: 1) Again, you are not clear here too. "Kurds seized their land" is wrong, you need many reliable sources to support such claim. Your source is written by Michael Youash who is secretary of armed militia[1]. Your source says: Many ultimately became refugees because Kurds had seized their lands and the Kurdistan Regional Government would not implement any decisions requiring the return of land to original Assyrian inhabitants. and it's based on Youash's own research, which is simply based on two interviews and synthesis: These comments represent a synthesis of the types of comments made by Assyrian refugee families interviewed by IDSP over two weeks across Amman, Damascus, and Beirut.. Wikipedia doesn't allow WP:SYNTH and Youash is a secretary of armed militia(not reliable at all). I am not however going to delete it, I will edit it to be more neutral.
2) This is original research and it's not allowed -> Many incidents of Kurdish authorities discriminating against minorities were reported in 2007 when minorities were arrested without due process, services were denied to some villages and schools pressured to teach in Kurdish.

It is not OR, it is from M. Youash.

3) Other attacks against Assyrians according to a US DOS country report include rapes, abductions of young girls, murders, attacks on Churches and clergy, cultural and linguistic persecution, and land expropriations by Kurds. Your state.gov source doesn't talk about abduction and AINA is not a reliable source. Rape incident is still not solved and it doesn't belong to the section you added. The state.gov doesn't also talk about destroyed "churches" at all.
[4]: This is clearly duplicate, it's already mentioned above.
[5]: This edit has many problems: 1) ..Kurds were "responsible for most of the atrocities committed against the Assyrians.. This claim has been refuted by a numerous of sources. For example, this claim had been added to Assyrian genocide article but it was later deleted due to its conflict with other sources.

it should not have been deleted. When reliable sources disagree, then both views should be mentioned.

2) The Patriarch of the Church of the East is not related to this article and it's history. 3) In more recent times, northern Iraq, the area of "ancient Assyria, Kurdish expansion has come at the expense of the Assyrian population". You reliable sources to support this claim. 4) Due to both Arab and Kurdish intimidation policies, especially on the part of the Kurdish Democratic Party, the Aramaic speaking Christian population has been much reduced. Source for this? Other sources in this article disagrees with your claim. 5) It was reported that Kurds have raised impediments to acquisition of international aid for development, attempted to prevent the establishment of Aramaic language schools and prevented the establishment of Christian Assyrian schools, You need a source for this claim too and this is almost duplicate, it has been shortly mentioned above. 6) There were also attacks on Christians by both Arab and Kurdish Islamists groups such as IS and the Kurdish Ansar ul-Islam IS is not a Kurdish Islamist group and Ansar al-Islam doesn't exist anymore, and it has never been active in Assyrian populated areas...Ferakp (talk) 02:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ https://ninevehplaindefensefund.org/about-us/. Retrieved 17 December 2016.  Missing or empty |title= (help)