Talk:Church of Zion, Jerusalem

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TWO aspects: 1) Jewish-Christian congregation. 2) Identification of its synagogue-church with Cenacle/"David's tomb"

These two aspects must be kept apart. The 3 Catholic scholars (Bagatti, Testa and Pixner) are interpreting ancient texts and the Madaba Map, their theory can work independently from archaeology. The community and even building might have existed (or not), even if the Cenacle structure is built on top of the putative synagogue-church or not, or if there are no remains left of the synagogue-church (or they're not identical with those dug up by Pinkerfeld). Pinkerfeld's interpretation of the lowest layers he dug up can fall w/o much impact on the Bagatti-Testa historical theory. Pixner does indeed also try to connect theory with stones, but he's not the main person here.

The article states that "The problem with the thesis of Bagatti, Testa, Pinkerfeld and Pixner is that the layers indicate a Crusader structure built on top of Roman layers." Either the source is misquoted by omitting important specifications, or it doesn't make sense. How does this contradict anything? A sequence early church—destruction—Crusader church built more or less at the same spot, remains perfectly logical. Am I missing something, or does this just perpetuate the confusion addressed in the first paragraph, between historical theory about a Jewish-Christian congregation, and the identification of its synagogue-church with the Cenacle building? Very messy and illogical. Arminden (talk) 02:59, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@In ictu oculi, Marcocapelle, Gilabrand, and Onceinawhile: I have gone back through the editing history. The initial text did address almost all of these issues, but an unreverted, unfortunate edit from 2016 by a colleague who misunderstood the topic, made worse by an anonymous editor (82.41.109.107) a few days ago, have removed every trace of the two-sided definition of the topic at hand:

1) the earliest Judeo-Christian congregation of Jerusalem, and
2) the putative building they used as a house of worship.
People as opposed to stones. Truly not the same. Restored & expanded those & other aspects.
Let's try and keep an eye on this article, expand it when we can and fix it (back) when needed. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 04:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Impact practice of the zionists 41.114.67.96 (talk) 11:55, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Connection Cenacle-David...?

Why the room of the Last Supper is on the Western Hill seems to be connect to early pilgrim's reports about the early church on "Mt Zion", but how come "David's tomb" ended up on the floor below it? I know one explanation for why on "Mt Zion", but why right next to (underneath) the Cenacle? Arminden (talk) 16:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]