Talk:Clean (2022 film)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 22:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that 2022 Australian documentary film Clean, centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst, was released after her passing?
• ALT0a: ... that 2022 Australian documentary film Clean, centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst, was released after her death?
  • Reviewed: Cat Bird (video game)
  • Comment: Happy for alt hooks

Improved to Good Article status by MaxnaCarta (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

— MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 09:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC).

• Everything looks to be in order, but I would like you to consider a slightly more interesting hook. I would encourage at least some detail as to know Sanda Pankhurst was and what the documentary's themes were. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

How about "... that 2022 Australian documentary film Clean, centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst (a former sex worker, drag queen, and crime scene cleaner), was released after her passing?". Dunno, I would be open to suggestions on how to improve it. I thought it was best to focus on one thing: the fact she died before her own film was released. This person was the epitome of interesting, but I don't want to bring too much into a short hook. Ideas? Pbritti — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

You definitely can't put the word "passing" onto the main page as per MOS:EUPHEMISM. Schwede66 02:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

This is a very interesting documentary about a very interesting person. Thank you, MaxnaCarta (talk · contribs)! I made some copyedits to the article. Except for the citation requirement, the article meets DYK requirements. The "Synopsis" section is unsourced. If Sandra Pankhurst were still living, citations would be necessary to comply with WP:BLPSOURCES. But as she has been dead for at least two years, WP:BLP does not apply.

From Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Sourcing and quotations, "The plot summary for a work, on a page about that work, does not need to be sourced with in-line citations, as it is generally assumed that the work itself is the primary source for the plot summary." However, Clean is a documentary, not a work of fiction, so that guideline is not fully applicable. To err on the safe side, I recommend adding sources to that section so that there is no question that WP:DYKCITE is met. Sourcing is needed to comply with DYK guidelines since the information about her being "a former sex worker, drag queen, and crime scene cleaner" is not sourced in the article. WP:DYKCITE says, "The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear."

The lead contains information that is not sourced in the body of the article. For example, the release month in "Clean was released in Australia in June 2022" is unsourced. The sentence "It was nominated for two awards at the Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts Awards in 2022" is unsourced also. I recommend going through the lead to confirm that everything is sourced (or is mentioned in the body of the article and is sourced there).

Here is an alternative hook that tightens MaxnaCarta's proposed alternative and removes the euphemism:

... ALT1: that the posthumously released documentary Clean centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst, a former sex worker, drag queen, and crime scene cleaner?

As I am proposing an alternative hook, Schwede66 or another reviewer will be needed to review the wording. Cunard (talk) 09:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hook is sourced to the plot section, which technically doesn't need it per WP:PLOTCITE. I'm going to say that WP:DYKHFC overrides this and say that 'for the hook, you need a cite'.--Launchballer 09:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@MaxnaCarta: Please action this.--Launchballer 10:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: apologies to all for being so delayed with this. I consider it respectful to promptly address nomination feedback and I apologise for not doing so. I will action now. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: should be good now — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me. I've taken the liberty of knocking together a few short sections and merging the Screening section, a) because it isn't really Reception and b) short sections are discouraged per WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Should be ready to roll.--Launchballer 11:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)