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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Gujarati writer Daksha Pattani published six books on Mahatma Gandhi?~~ Source: Pathak, Ajay (May 2019). Doshi, Deepak (ed.). "સ્વ. દક્ષાબહેન વિજયશંકર પટ્ટણી" [Late Dakshabahen Vijayshankar Pattani]. Navneet Samarpan (in Gujarati). Mumbai: P. V. Shankarankutti, Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. 40 (1): 113–115. ISSN 2455-4162

Reviewed: Challacombe scale

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 14:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Article was moved from draftspace on 20 May, is over the required prose size and has no copyvio concerns. The hook has an inline citation although, as it is a foreign language source, it is AGF. Just waiting on a QPQ review to finish this one. Kosack (talk) 05:57, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

N Barely 200 characters above the minimal requirements of 1500 and it's a stub, for all practical purposes. The hook is entirely non-interesting.

I am also doubtful about the notability of the subject. the volumes of Gujarati Sahityano Itihas contains bioraphies of hundreds of writers and is more of a catalog. It does not contribute to automatic-notability. ∯WBG^converse 09:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Winged Blades of Godric:, Sorry for late reply. I missed the watchlist change. The article is 200 characters above "minimal requirement" so it should be a concern according to the DYK rules. For notability, Gujarati Sahityano Itihas (lit. History of Gujarati Literature) contains biographies of only selected writers of a period/era, not "hundreds of writers" and is not "a catalog" as you claimed. The book is carefully written and edited by scholars of Gujarati literature and is published by Gujarati Sahitya Parishad, a literary organisation. Have you checked the source book before claiming it contains "biographies of hundreds of writers"? I doubt. If you have not checked the book, you should not claim it. Due to lack of online sources, I have to rely on offline sources. Pattani was a respected scholar on Gandhi. For hook, it may not seem interesting to you but reviewer @Kosack: found it interesting enough. I am open to ALT hook if Kosack ask for it. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 07:45, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's obviously not a catalog (hyperbole) but I stand by my claim of hundreds; extrapolating from the volumes I've read. I don't believe that SYSTEMICBIAS affects someone who was producing works as late as 2000 and reject that she was a highly esteemed scholar. No book reviews, no obituaries ... ∯WBG^converse 08:00, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the idea of an author publishing six books and dedicating a considerable portion of their career to a single person was relatively interesting, I'd never heard of anything similar I don't believe. If WBG does find it uninteresting, would there be any alternative hooks available perhaps? If the notability of the subject is in question, why not take it to AfD? Kosack (talk) 08:06, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kosack, the notability is not in question but the belief that every article which meets the objective criterion of DYK is automatically main-page stuff, is.

You might wish to note Ramachandra Guha, who has written:- Gandhi Before India, Gandhi: The Years That Changed the World and India After Gandhi. Yet another one about Gandhi's relevance in today's world, is in the making. Manikonda Chalapathi Rau has published a lot of works about Jawaharlal Nehru. ∯WBG^converse 16:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, if I'm mistaken about the interest then maybe we can look for something more interesting. Nizil Shah would there be any alternative hooks? Kosack (talk) 16:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, she had published her entire PhD thesis as those 6 books or so does Nizil claim -- which is quite weird. Nizil, I am not very comfortable in Gujarati but is "દક્ષા (વિજયશંકર) પટ્ટણી" a correct translation of the subject's name? On a side-note, what's this?∯WBG^converse 09:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Winged Blades of Godric:, she did PhD on Gandhi and each chapter of her thesis was published as a book with more information. Each chapter/book discusses one aspect of Gandhi and his philosophy. Gujarati is my native language and દક્ષા (વિજયશંકર) પટ્ટણી is correctly translated as Daksha (Vijayshankar) Pattani. That Nireekshak pdf file is a biweekly published in Gujarati since 1968. There is an obituary of Pattani written by Ajay Pathak on p. 13-14. It can be a helpful reference. I have also found another obituary published in Kumar (magazine) which I will be adding soon. -Nizil (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Both (Nirikshak and Kumar) refs are added now with some new info. @Kosack: -Nizil (talk) 13:53, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~ALT1: ... that Gujarati writer Daksha Pattani was awarded the Bhagini Nivedita Prize twice for her books on Mahatma Gandhi?~~
ALT2: ... that Gujarati writer Daksha Pattani was a member of a committee propagating Gandhian philosophy?

Just a drive-by comment, but I'm skeptical of ALT1 working out considering we don't even have an article on the award. Unless of course you could make an article on the award and make this a double hook. ALT2 is not a spectacular hook but it might be the best bet at this point, if only because readers might be curious exactly what "Gandhian philosophy" is. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:32, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack: and @Winged Blades of Godric:. Please go through my comments.-Nizil (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would second @Narutolovehinata5:'s comments that ALT2 is the more interesting if the award has no page. @Winged Blades of Godric: mentioned that the thesis' being published as six separate books was unusual, is that a possibility also? Kosack (talk) 06:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 ... that Gujarati writer Daksha Pattani published six books on Mahatma Gandhi and was a member of a committee propagating Gandhian philosophy?

This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts for ALT0 and ALT2 are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Approving ALT0 and ALT2, or they could be combined into ALT3. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:04, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Has a QPQ been completed? Yoninah (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: and @Cwmhiraeth:. Oh, I missed that. I have submitted QPQ.-Nizil (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing tick now that a QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:36, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but first copyedited the page and added an infobox. Please add the subjects she received her degrees in, and where she received her degrees, so this can also be added to the infobox. I also edited the talk page; she was not a writer of literature, but an academic. The hook is also slightly misleading; it was her doctoral thesis that was published in six volumes. Yoninah (talk) 09:24, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah:, thanks for copyedit and infobox. I have asked a friend for references on her alma mater and subjects. I will add it asap I receive references. I will amend the hooks. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 12:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah:, alma mater and subjects are added with new reference. Hooks amended. Thanks,-Nizil (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0a:... that Gujarati academic Daksha Pattani published her doctoral thesis on Mahatma Gandhi in six volumes?
ALT2:... that Gujarati academic Daksha Pattani was a member of a committee propagating Gandhian philosophy?
ALT3a:... that Gujarati academic Daksha Pattani published her doctoral thesis on Mahatma Gandhi in six volumes and was a member of a committee propagating Gandhian philosophy?

Thank you, ALT0a looks great. Restoring tick per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A fact from Daksha Pattani appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 July 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Gujarati academic Daksha Pattani published her doctoral thesis on Mahatma Gandhi in six volumes?

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@Gazal world:, can you find reference telling where she studied/completed PhD? The question was raised in DYK. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 11:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nizil Shah: See page no. 45 of "Gujaratina Adhyapakono Mahitikosh" OCLC 20823629 (on your talk page of Gujarati wiki). --Gazal world (talk) 13:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]