Talk:Deaths in January 1989

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@Braintic: Please see WP:RSP: IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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And if you stopped deleting Find a Grave sources that actually show a photo of the headstone with death date, then perhaps I might let that go.

Perhaps you would care to explain why a headstone photo is not the ideal proof of a date of death.

You deleted IMDb and FaG sources together, so I had no choice but to revert all. Braintic (talk) 04:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Braintic, if you looked at the changes before you reverted here and here, you would see that you actually reverted the additions of replacement sources for the latter. And even if that were not the case, of course you had a choice. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You made NO indication in your description of such replacement sources, indicating only that you were deleting sources.

From your link: "The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content."

Did you check to see whether headstone photos were included in the source? If so, why delete at all? Given that links on this page are designed only for verifying dates of death, how is that not a context for which FaG is a valid source?

If you don't like links, delete them one at a time with reason, and indicate that you are replacing it in the description if that is the case. Each link for FaG should demand a separate discussion. Braintic (talk) 08:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is not correct.

The statement being made here is not just a date, it's a description. That can't be cited to a headstone. What could be cited to a headstone is extremely limited, and reliable secondary sourcing is preferred. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In these death lists, the reference is ONLY for getting the death date correct. Look at ANY recent death, and there will be ONE source, and the only information common to every source is that they include the date of death.

Including extra information does not make the date of death wrong. Braintic (talk) 02:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Including extra information means that a reference that confirms only the date of death is inadequate, even apart from any other issues with that reference. If there are other sources that do not verify the information against which they are placed, either that information or that reference needs fixing. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then you should be complaining about a majority of sources placed on the May 2024 deaths page. Almost none of them verify ALL the information given about an individual, which is typically just drawn from their Wikipedia profile. Braintic (talk) 08:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]