Talk:Dimitar Berbatov

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Honours[edit]

Deleting a few flakey 'honours'. Player of the month and stuff like that is not tangible honour. Next thing you know we'll have endless lists of 'player of the day' honours.--ClubOranje (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

This article was tagged with NPOV in Dec 07, but no discussion here. Looks OK to me, apart from one small paragraph a little 'warm and cuddly' which is now removed. Removed NPOV tag. Feel free to put it bac kif you think it needs it, but tell us why here please --T (talk) 11:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Fan talk[edit]

Ok, just because the guy has a good game it doesn't warrant a whole paragraph about it. What would happen if everyone did that with every player? I know it's inevitable that there will be supporters of clubs/players contributing biased information, but the following type of stuff is bollox.

As of February 21 2007 Berbatov has 15 goals in all competitions for Tottenham Hotspur. 4 days later, on February 24 2007 Berbatov put in his best performance of the season. During a blistering start for Tottenham, fellow striker Robbie Keane was sent off in the 34th minute whilst Tottenham were 3-0 up against a ragged looking Bolton side. Berbatov made the assist for the first goal and was integral in the second. However, his 'Man Of The Match' performance was awarded more for the way he brilliantly held the front line on post-34th minute on his own, resulting in Tottenham ending the match as 4-1 winners. His performance was a masterclass in holding up the ball and off-the-ball movement, especially as a lone striker.

So I've removed it. Johntinsley 23:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Spurs[edit]

I see he's already here as a Tottenham player but is his move to Spurs finalized? I thought it was still pending a work permit being issued? --JamesTheNumberless 14:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know about the work permit issue. We should note that. Anyway, I see very little probability that he is denied a permit: he is a regular international and has worked in the EU for several years now.--Cryout 14:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Very true, I had the same thoughts myself. Still, I thought it best to leave him off the Spurs team sheet until he officially joins on the 1st of July and just reflect that he is set to join Spurs on that date. --JamesTheNumberless 12:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
"Due to work permit regulations the transfer is to be completed on 1 July 2006." This can't be true. It has to be down to the transfer market being closed until this date, nothing to do with a work permit... Thnom 13:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Correct, I think this section has become a little confused to I have changed it. --JamesTheNumberless 17:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Currency[edit]

Is there a Wikipedia policy on what currency to use? Here Tottenham pays in UK pounds, Leverkusen cares only about Euros and Dimitar Berbatov is actually Bulgarian and it is thus important to quote the transfer sum in Bulgarian leva. I would choose the leva, other would prefer other currencies. How is this decided? --Cryout 22:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Bulgaria will be a EU member, UK already a EU member. Here is the policy. Matthew hk 01:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The actual currency which exchanged hands would have been Euros and As the transfer was between a German and an English club, the Leva doesn't enter anywhere into the equation. The Leverkusen page should show the amount he was sold for in Euros, the Tottenham page should show the amount he was bought for in pounds, the Berbatov page (except on the Bulgarian language version) should show the amount in Euros. Leva, if used at all, could only really appear on a page dealing with Bulgarian footballers or famous Bulgarians in general. It is also worth noting that USD and Euro are extremely useful currencies to give values in because firstly they are highly stable and secondly most people in countries with local currencies will have a good understanding of the current value of one or the other relative to their own currency. --JamesTheNumberless 10:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Completely agree with you. I'm bulgarian and I don't really care how much is his price in Bulgarian leva, in fact I haven't seen anywhere in the Bulgarian press the international transfer sums converted in our national currency, even if it involves a bulgarian player. Not to mention that the top clubs usually speak in euros even for tansfers within the Bulgarian football league. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.190.200.137 (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Hotspur[edit]

Just replaced all instances of "Tottenham Hotspurs" with the correct name of the club. I realise that's how the team is known in much of central Europe but this is the English language Wikipedia and in one or two cases this was causing links to be broken. --JamesTheNumberless 10:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Tottenham goals, domestic league[edit]

Why is Berbatov listed as having played 18 games and scored 9 goals on his infobox, for Tottenham? Isn't it supposed to be for DOMESTIC LEAGUE goals and appearances only? I am sure he has fewer than 9 league goals for Tottenham. -- Lowzeewee 14:20, 18 December 2006 (GMT+8)

Getting a bit silly now, it currently shows 19 golas in 25 games. However much I'd love this to be true, as a Spurs fan, this is blatantly wrong. If I'm not mistaken these figures are in fact his premiership appearances and his total overall goals. --JamesTheNumberless 17:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It now says 38 goals in 29 games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.224.220.236 (talk) 09:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Pirin & Pirin 1922[edit]

Berbatov started his career in Pirin Blageovgrad with now is in "V" Amateur football group. There are currently three teams named Pirin Blagoevgrad - the original one (in who Berbatov started his career), the PFC Pirin 1922 Blagoevgrad (ex Makedonska Slava (Simitli) playing in "B PFG") and the Pirin 2001 Blagoevgrad (playing also in "V AFG"). Don't mistake them. -- Scroch 19 December 2006 (GMT+2)


Trivia[edit]

-- T (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

"Has won many "Bulgarian Player of the Year" and "Journalists' Bulgarian Player of the Year" as well as "Fans' Bulgarian Player of the Year" awards." - is this really necessary to be pointed out, since those awards are listed in detail in the "Honours" section just above that? --89.190.200.137 20:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion listing him as a Newcastle fan is irrelevant, the user called Bababoum clearly lists himself as a Newcastle United supporter on his profile and it's obvious that he is listing this purely for that reason. Are we going to go onto Scott Parker adn Stephen Carr's profiles and add that they were boyhood Tottenham Hotspur fans as well in this case? Are we going to go onto Micheal Owen's and list him as a Liverpool supporter? No because it is not relevant and I don't see the reason to put that within any footballer profile. 217.44.199.246 23:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Some people are interested to know who certain players support and in many other footballer articles on wikipedia, their team of preference has been given. I don't think there's any harm in stating in the trivia section who that player supports, as long as the claim is supported with a source. After all, isn't that the point of a trivia section - to include information that doesn't fit into the other sections of the article, but is still of interest and in this case lets us know more about the subject? Bababoum 12:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

First there is no direct quote in which he states he is a fan in that source - it is merely insinuated by a third party - and it does not state anywhere within that article that "he has supported Newcastle since a child" as you have suggested. Without a direct quote it is nothing more than an insinuation on the part of the article writer, the only quote that supports the sentance is him stating Shearer is a role model, unless you can find one where he himself states he is a Newcastle supporter it's then it remains unsubstantiated and can not be stated as fact.

It's from UEFA's official website after they interviewed Berbatov, so it is very reliable. Why would UEFA say he is a Newcastle fan if he didn't suggest he was? The article states 'Since then, Berbatov has been a Newcastle fan, and has made a point of trying to watch the Magpies, and Shearer in particular, whenever he can'. How else would they come to that conclusion without Berbatov actually telling them? There are even quotes from Berbatov in the article to support this - "I can still remember the great fans there" and "the fact they are in the second phase of the Champions League speaks volumes". Clearly showing his admiration for the club. Do you actually need a direct quote if the source itself is reliable enough? Bababoum 17:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A direct quote would make it more than an unsubstantiated claim because it comes across as an assumption by the writer not Berbatov himself saying it, there are dozens of quotes from dozens of footballers and managers past and present talking about fans from other clubs and saying they enjoy watching clubs but it doesn't mean they are a fan although that could easily be stated as fact. Why is there any reason to put Newcastle and not AC Milan which is also suggested in the article, what's to say he hasn't moved alliegences since and taken a liking to someone else. I see no reliable suggestion that he is a supporter of Newcastle whatsoever, just because he says he likes Alan Shearer and therefore has watched Newcastle during Shearer's time there to watch how he players the writer has jumped to the conclusion that he is a fan but unless there is a definite quote from Berbatov to qualify this then it is unsubstantiated.

Was going to shift the "He is also said to have a Jack Russell named after his favourite film The Godfather." to the trivia section... but it already lists his favourite film as "Scarface" so I just deleted ti. It doesn't belong in the main text, as having a dog named after the Godfather doesn't make him notable.
--T (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

for some reason Wikipedia put this back in and attributed it to me - yet I never wrote it, only removed it (some time earlier). How bizzarre!--T (talk) 06:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nicknames[edit]

I think the amount of nicknames needs to be cut down, there's 8 there now and it seems to be everyone's pet name for him added rather than his nickname. The Devil With The Angels Face is the one he came to the club with and Berb or Berba are the ones the players seem to use for him so in my opinion it should be cut down to these three otherwise it will get out of hand. Thoughts? Mattgibbins 21:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Definitely. Things like "God" are just stupid. And the "Lazy Genius" is just a statement of the truth of the beginning of his career at Leverkusen. --Cryout 05:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Goals[edit]

I'm sure Berbatov scored more goals this season? Forza Getafe 10:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The top right column is for league goals only, all competition goals are in the career stats part. Mattgibbins 15:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That's league goals, 23 in all comps. By the way , listed as his favourite music - BLACK ? what exactly is black music ?

Flag icons in honours[edit]

Do we really need them next to each honour or next to each club name? or not at all? Govvy (talk) 20:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My view is not at all. The description of the honour should provide all you need to know Tmol42 (talk) 21:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
So if there are no objections I will remove them in a day or two. Govvy (talk) 17:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi Protection[edit]

I have requested a semi protect for this page due to the obsessive editing by IPs re speculation of transfer to Man U }Tmol42 (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

i agree Chubbyman99 (talk) 16:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Good call. I just reverted some vandalism that was presumably done before the protection. Andrew Duffell (talk) 18:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I say lock it, until the transfer has gone through, some wannabe journalists are altering the entry constantly Pavernt 11:51 27 August 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 10:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

please lock this, repeated vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.182.134 (talk) 14:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Did he join Man City? I guess it is another vandalism. Deliogul (talk) 14:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
its all speculation and rumour right now - Man City have had a british club record transfer fee (+£30m) accepted by Tottenham for the transfer and Man City boss Mark Hughes is quoted as saying he will be meeting with the player later today to dicuss personal terms. 92.10.182.134 (talk) 14:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Here is a link that should help explain the situation at present, perhaps it could be added into the main article? [1] 92.10.182.134 (talk) 14:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Going with the rumour mill sky sports news give unconfirmed information that Berbatov is with Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson en route to the Carrington training ground. - Maybe people will read here rather than vandalise the main page? 92.10.182.134 (talk) 15:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
It's not a rumour anymore - skysports have released a video of Berbatov shaking hands with David Gill and Alex Ferguson at Old Trafford Stadium in Manchester. Vanruddy (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Until an official announcement comes from either club it is still a rumour...deals far more advanced than this one have collapsed. DJDannyP//Talk2Me 21:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I meant that the claim that he is at Old Trafford with Alex Ferguson is NOT a rumour- I never commented on anythin to do with the signing of Berbatov. Even so, I highly doubt that after Tottenham has allowed him to speak to Manchester United AND his medical has been completed that this deal is going to fail - he is definitely going to sign this deal in the next few minutes. Vanruddy (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Whats not a "rumour" is that he has been inside old trafford negotiating. If we're honest, it would be better to close all football club/player pages for c4 hours leading up to the deadline... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.134.210 (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

MANCHESTER UNITED[edit]

On Monday 1st September at 23.45 Dimitar Berbatov joined Manchester United FC for £30 million and Fraizer Campbell totalling £37 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minicavakeb (talkcontribs) 22:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Source? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspurs official website is the source for now I think... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.134.210 (talk) 23:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. And now the Man Utd offical site too. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Acording to Setanta and the BBC he is a manchester united player for 30.75 million and Fraizer Campbell on loan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aa072 (talkcontribs) 23:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

His Shirt Number Is 14 Not 9 as Stated —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flowerzz (talkcontribs) 22:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Not according to the Man Utd website - No.9: http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={FE60904B-C2A8-4E60-9B05-700DBBC29BBC}&section=playerProfile&teamid=458&bioid=93373 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.79.8 (talk) 14:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

illegal talks claimed[edit]

During his transfer on the last day of the transfer window, he was filmed meeting with the manager and chairman of Manchester United, Sky Sports News were running the story early afternoon and through the night that in direct contravention of FA and Premier League rules Spurs had not given permission to Manchester United their agreement to talk directly to the player. This statement was issued by the Chairman of Spurs, Mr.Daniel Levy. Despite the transfer subsequently being completed their is now speculation that the FA have launched an inquiry into the whole affair, and may yet rule the transfer as illegal and take action against Manchester United, the player and his agent. It would be the first time that the FA took action against a club for acting illegally even though the transfer was finally completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.192.157 (talk) 20:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.79.8 (talk) 20:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Statistics Table[edit]

I changed the stats table today to divide the cups and add a total tab for the countrys he has played in. If anyone has the information source could they split up the apps and goals that he has played in the different cups? Birdy (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Berbatovci[edit]

Is his surname related to the surname of Albert Berbatovci? It's interesting because it could mean Berbatov has Albanian blood pumping through his veins. Conversely it could mean Albert is part Bulgarian but then again it could mean nothing at all. I really want to know because I'm sure someone has the answer. Spiderone (talk) 12:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Berbat I think is a Turkish word and means evil or something like that. Some ethnic Bulgarians have Turkish words as family names and probably some Albanians too (Both nations were part of the Ottoman empire). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.43.165.72 (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Sublime[edit]

I'm not the right person to edit this article in a completely unbiased way, so I'll not even try, but is the use of the word "sublime" even once appropriate for an encyclopaedia? It appears twice in the section covering his Man Utd career.

Also in that section it discusses his assists total, saying he was joint-second in the league, but would it not also be appropriate to include his goals total in a similar way in there too? (Sorry, forgot to sign the comment above) SideIron (talk) 08:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Is there a better one, the content is allright but the quality is awful.

Untitled[edit]

Georgi Iliev was president of Levski Kjustendil and not of Lokomotiv Plovdiv by the time that "kidnap" story may have happened. It is obvious even from that ridicules article shown as References 11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.34.113.178 (talk) 07:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

update pictures[edit]

The picture shown is when Manchester United had AIG on their jerseys. Well now they have AON and this should be updated to show him with his "new" AON jersey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.97.161 (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Why? – PeeJay 23:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
'Cause the sponsor on the jersey is, like, so important to the article, yeah? Like, me and all the other Devon boys got the new AON jersey so it's WELL important! Cliftonianthe orangey bit 23:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Senior career false claims[edit]

The section claiming Berbatov played for Pirin Blagoevgrad in his senior career is false. He played for the Pirin youth team before joining the CSKA Sofia youth team. His first professional contract was with CSKA Sofia. Here are some references:

http://topsport.ibox.bg/comment/id_1467764911 (in Bulgarian, an interview with Hristo Marinchev, one of the first people to discover Berbatov's talent, detailing how he was scouted for the CSKA youth team)

http://www.pfl.bg/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=77&lang=en (the official site of the Professional Football League. The full lineups and statistics for the 1998-1999 season in the top Bulgarian league - Berbatov is not found on the Pirin Blagoevgrad squad even once. So the formerly cited http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/1088.html has got its facts wrong. Furthermore, the PFL site contains data of Berbatov's first professional match - as a substitute for CSKA in the 17th round of the same season)

I am changing the main article accordingly. --VladoBG (talk) 16:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

fulham[edit]

anyone have a pic of him in a fulham jersey for his infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.147.28 (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2014[edit]

86.46.198.70 (talk) 22:08, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

 Question: what is your request? QED237 (talk) 00
16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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