Talk:Disputes involving the Spain women's national football team

Rubiales kiss to separate article?

The spanish language wikipedia has the controversy over the Rubiales kiss in its own article. I believe the English language article has enough as well.Naraht (talk) 21:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Support. I've added the {{Split section}} tag to make the proposal formal. Per NYT, this incident has come to embody the generational and cultural fault line between deep traditions of machismo and the more recent progressivism that has put Spain in the European vanguard on issues of feminism and equality. Some commentators have taken to calling it Spain’s #MeToo moment. and Spanish society has erupted, seizing on the incident as a major moment of reckoning for its clubby and often sexist soccer culture. Sources are clearly treating this as a cultural moment that goes beyond just the football team, and as such it merits an article. To anyone who wants to argue that a momentary physical action is somehow too trivial to warrant an article, I'll respond to that after I finish reading Chris Rock–Will Smith slapping incident. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:35, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The Spanish article is currently titled "Rubiales case". Any thoughts on whether we should use that title, or "Rubiales kiss," or something else? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

"Caso Rubiales" is the equivalent kind of phrasing as "Rubiales affair"; I put "Rubiales case" as an anchor here because I assumed people would use literal translations. I see "kiss-gate" being used sparingly, so probably not that. I think either case or affair would be fine. Kingsif (talk) 18:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

It seems like we have general agreement to split it out (though User:Sdkb is the only who has formally said support), and now we are suggesting names and nobody seems to have what they feel is a strong candidate.

Support - it definitely seems like there's enough coverage and enough material for a full page. NHCLS (talk) 12:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Support - This scandal is becoming a cause celebre that has caused international controversy and a national scandal on the scale of the Weinstein affair of 2017 for Spain. It deserves its own article to collect all the necessary information. TicTacTax (talk) 10:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

• Discussions don't need !votes, but consider my comments a support. Kingsif (talk) 00:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Name for new article

I've tried working through the English language coverage and haven't seen anything consistent. "Caso Rubiales", OTOH does have a *lot* of hits. In terms of the translation of affair, I tried coming up with the most notable scandals that is the "X affair" in English, and what came to mind are the Profumo affair (which was an extramarital affair) and the Dreyfus affair. In Spanish, the articles are es:Caso Profumo and es:Caso Dreyfus. So I'm leaning towards Rubiales affair, though none of the other suggestions (kiss, case) seem unreasonable as names *or* as redirects. I know Wikipedia doesn't have deadlines, but I'd like to see this done before they put his head on a pike. :)Naraht (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I had considered creating an article but held off out of respect for my time. The name I would have chosen would have likely been "Luis Rubiales sexual harassment incident" or something similar. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

As it goes much further than the single incident, and there is a 'proper name' in Spanish, I would be opposed to the descriptive title you suggest. Kingsif (talk) 05:01, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

• I hope I'll have some time upcoming to work on it, but if not, I have started a public draft at Draft:Rubiales affair; it can obviously be renamed when moving to mainspace. The Spanish article is a list chronology - Spanish Wikipedia has a lot of those for various situations, but they're very discouraged on English Wikipedia, so a translation likely won't cut it. Kingsif (talk) 00:15, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

  @Kingsif, that draft looks good enough for mainspace to me. If there are no objections, let's move it shortly. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 14:48, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

  I not only have no objections, I'm in complete agreement with Sdkb. I like the name and the *draft* is closer to being a GA than to being a Stub. If no one has objected or moved it by the time I get on tomorrow, I'll move it, but frankly at this point, I expect someone else to have done so. :)Naraht (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

  Published draft to mainspace at Rubiales affair. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Removing accents

Can someone point to policy why the list includes the name spelled as Aitana Bonmati rather than the correct spanish Aitana Bonmatí? (No accent on last i vs. accent on last i) (There are other examples, this is just the first that I found)Naraht (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

The list is sourcing itself. It doesn't really matter in the case of accents like Bonmatí but for e.g. Toña Is, we would theoretically need a secondary source reporting that the name on the list is an alias of Antonia Is, or it would be OR — if we aren't taking the names as spelt for what they are. And yes, whether accents were or weren't used in the letter is very hit-and-miss, like Alèxia has it when in most Spanish and English media it is not included, while Claudia Pina doesn't. Kingsif (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Where is the list of 81 sourced from? It doesn't appear to be on the twitter link.Naraht (talk) 18:35, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

The letter was published as two images on social media, so FUTPRO's social media. If that's not the correct twitter link in the article, we need to add it. Kingsif (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)