Talk:Doja Cat/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Fix the lead

If you follow the source in the first sentence [[1], her birth name is Amalaratna not Amala. The first sentence in the "Early Life" section seems to use her birth name. Only one can be right, please fix it. I would do it myself but some moron locked the article. 2600:1700:1111:5940:A0CC:C198:CD07:BABE (talk) 19:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Her full name is persistently being vandalised and shortened by editors who don't look at the source and assume that her name is Amala because of the title of her debut album. This is a very common issue that I have to fix on almost a daily basis, so if someone could protect it for longer that would be really appreciated. heyitsben!! ^talk 08:17, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Misinformation

Being a fan is not the same as inspiration.

"She is noted to be inspired by Nicki Minaj, Erykah Badu, Pharrell, Jamiroquai, PartyNextDoor, and Drake. She has also cited Indian culture, Hinduism, and Japanese culture as inspirations as well."

The first name is incorrect, read the source, does not name that artist an inspiration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.232.241.152 (talk) 23:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Name meaning

Her name Alamaratna means Crystal in Sanskrit and should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.31.77 (talk) 07:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect Spelling

Under === 2012–2017: Career beginnings ===, Dojo Cat should be spelled as Doja Cat. Kaytota (talk) 23:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

• Done :) Ed6767 (talk) 23:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2020

Change “She signed a joint record deal with RCA Records and Kemosabe Records at the age of 17 and subsequently released her debut extended play, Purrr!, in 2014.“ to “She signed a joint record deal with RCA Records and MAU Records at the age of 17 and subsequently released her debut extended play, Purr!, in 2014.” 2001:BB6:3091:6B58:4C5D:5E28:8D58:BE0A (talk) 14:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Reference #7 related to this sentence does not list the record companies. GoingBatty (talk) 14:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Incel Claim is False

The incel chat claim is blatantly false. The chat is one called Tea Time Chats. They have a Facebook group started in 2011: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ttimechat/ Some folks from the chat are speaking about the chat here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZfKFeKLKM This is just a plain old Tiny Chat room. It has nothing to do with the alt-right or incels. Incels hate "thots" and promiscuous women. The alt-right would not tolerate a half-black, half Jewish woman to strip for them. I am not sure I can link a "reputable" source, but this claim is so new that it shouldn't be put in the lead of a Wikipedia article right now. Pretty ridiculous. --(Rando-user-here (talk) 03:51, 25 May 2020 (UTC))

The alt-right does have these ideas of hating on these types of women, but for them seeing a women strip tease in front of them they will let it go on. Obelar Zelar (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

New controversy

@HeyitsBen: Be careful adding content that violates WP:BLP. Most of the sources cited are unreliable and we don't post rumors/gossip on Wikipedia. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nice4What:  Acknowledged HeyitsBen ^talk 12:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Isaacsorry: Know what you're adding to the article. What you wrote was not in the sources cited and could also be seen as a WP:POV issue (why the mention of white males?). Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Doja Cat

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Doja Cat's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "npr":

• From NPR: "Public Radio Finances". NPR. Archived from the original on March 19, 2012. Retrieved October 22, 2010.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown (link)
• From Breakdancing: "Breakdancing, Present at the Creation". NPR.org. National Public Radio. October 14, 2002. Archived from the original on April 21, 2010. Retrieved May 28, 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Context

BBC says

Subsequently, footage began to circulate of the singer participating on the video chatroom site Tiny Chat, making sexual comments to men who were reportedly members of the alt-right/incel community

I added it, yet @Nice4What: keeps removing it. This WP article says "she denied engaging in online racist conversations.." denied to what? the air? out of nowhere? that needs the context. Cornerstonepicker (talk)

@Cornerstonepicker: This is a BLP issue. These men on TinyChat are "reportedly members of the alt-right/incel community" based on... what? Twitter rumors?

Also, what additional context is needed? She made a song using a racist term and engaged in an alleged "white supremacist" chat, which the WP article states she denied. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 04:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Nice4What: Based on the BBC article's text. She denied that, in response to what? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Full name

Hi. I've noticed that some records on the California Birth Index tend to merge multiple names (separated by spaces/hyphens). For example, Jacob Lee-Nicholas Sullenger becomes Jacob Leenicholas Sullenger. I think that Doja Cat's full name is actually Amala Ratna Zandile Dlamini, since both ISWC and ASCAP records credit her with this name (omitting Zandile). She is often referred to as Amala (first-hand interviews, charity donations, the title of her debut album) and possibly even tried to edit her name herself. A google search of "Amalaratna" summons articles that have gathered their information from Wikipedia, in addition to some name-origin pages that have only appeared since Doja Cat started gaining popularity. HeyitsBen ^talk 14:57, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Dangerousalex: I have a feeling that "Amala" is her first name, "Ratna" and "Zandile" are her middle names, and "Dlamini" is her surname. I will be adding Ratna back, but know that in the tweet she implies that it is not part of her first name. HeyitsBen ^talk 08:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

References

@HeyitsBen fair, I think if anything it’s definitely just confirmation that her first name is just "Amala" and "Ratna" can stay disconnected from her first name which will definitely cause less arguments and confusion etc. Dangerousalex (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2020

I’d like to edit Doja Cat’s page. She was raised in The Bronx, New York City, and not in Rye, New York. I will search for articles that I can cite as a source SophieMontano12 (talk) 21:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Of course, without forgetting to cite a reliable source. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Occupation For Doja Cat

Can anybody here please change Doja Cat's occupations to "rapper, singer and songwriter", and "Rapper ⋅ singer ⋅ songwriter ⋅ record producer" in the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.162.111 (talk) 02:38, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Plagiarism of Guitarist Plini (November 2020)

In November 2020 Doja Cat and her team plagiarized guitarist Plini during Doja Cat's metal reimagining of her song "Say So" at the MTV Europe Music Awards. Musical director Darion Ja'Von plagiarized part of a Plini song "Handmade Cities", unbeknownst to Plini at the time. Only during their airing of the performance did Plini himself hear the plagiarism, and then posted on his Twitter "someone tell @DojaCat that if she digs the arrangement of this at 2:50 onwards, then she would love my song "handmade cities"" (1). Darion Ja'Von responded via Instagram on November 10th that he indeed intentionally used Plini's material for the Doja Cat arrangement (2). Plini then again confirmed he had no prior knowledge of this plagiarism, and regretted not being credited earlier in the process before the performance went worldwide (3). At the time Plini did not seem to mention any legal action, noting that "it's being sorted now" (3). In the meanwhile, Darion Ja'Von made another Instagram post seemingly sarcastically poking fun at Plini: Ja'Von posted a video of someone singing the words 'If only you knew' and left the hashtag "#GottaStealThisForSure" (4). As of November 11, 2020, no public legal action has been taken against Ja'Von.

(1) https://twitter.com/plinirh/status/1325621870264111104 (2) https://www.instagram.com/p/CHbLjd4hnSN/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (3) https://www.instagram.com/p/CHbztYRF8WZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (4) https://www.instagram.com/p/CHbjbIBhrkC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godmaw (talk • contribs) 22:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

We need better sources than Instagram claims to add it, especially if no public legal action has been taken. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:32, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hinduism

In regards to the claim that Doja Cat practiced Hinduism:

The only source that seems to support this claim is the interview with The Fader, in which she states:

Born in Tarzana, moved to Rye, when we moved back, we went straight to an ashram, and we lived on an ashram for about four years. It was just really, like, constricting for me. Even though it was beautiful and there was a lot of nature, I feel like I couldn't be a kid 'cause you have to wrap your head and, like, cover your everything, like, you can't show your shoulders. It was a huge part of my life for sure, and then we moved out and I ditched it completely, but I really love the visual aspect of it. I thought it was really beautiful, a lot of, like, airbrushed pictures of gods and stuff like that, and the music was beautiful. We'd, like, sing a lot and it was cool. It's great when it's great, but if you're trying to do kid stuff like skateboard and eat cheeseburgers it's not the place.

Nowhere in the interview does she specifically mention practicing Hinduism herself, but the title of this section of the interview from The Fader is "First Exposure to Hinduism", and within the sourced article, it reads, "She discussed...practicing Hinduism for a part of her life (and why it didn't work out)." I know that it might be a violation of WP:PRIMARY to deny the material posited in the secondary source (article) which interprets the primary source (interview), but this article seems to be the only place where that claim is made, and it doesn't seem to be corroborated by the interview within. It seems like it was mainly an assumption. Plenty of sources confirm that she lived in an ashram, including:

• Billboard ("That was after I lived on an ashram, which was when I was super little and I’d just go to temple all the time and I’d wear this scarf on my head and I wasn’t allowed to eat meat and it was very cult-like. I felt really trapped.")
• Los Angeles Times ("Later she spent time in an ashram but waves past questions about it — 'I hate telling that story'...")
• XXL ("Although she was born in Tarzana, Calif., she spent long stints in Rye, N.Y. and in an ashram in Sherman Oaks, Calif. before finally settling in L.A.")
• Dummy ("Born Amala Zandile Dlamini in Tarzana, Los Angeles, Doja moved to Rye, New York before living on an ashram (a Hindu monastery) for four years.")

Yet none of those articles actually support or even mention the claim that she was practicing Hinduism while living at the ashram, merely that she was living there and that she was adhering to strict rules. I think it makes much more sense to leave the mention of Hinduism out, since, again, it's only mentioned by one source that does not seem to actually confirm its claims. Pinging HeyitsBen. Benmite (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey Benmite. Excuse my ignorance, but don't only people practising Hindu live in ashrams? Why else would one live in a Hindu monastery for four years if they weren't practising Hindu? HeyitsBen ^talk 04:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi HeyitsBen, also will admit I'm pretty ignorant on the subject, but after some research, I think my initial conclusion was correct, although I could be wrong. This NPR article describes an ashram in Virginia which mainly takes in jobless and homeless people, few of whom seem to be Hindu themselves but who are nonetheless allowed to stay so long as they practice the same teachings as the yogis there. According to these two blogs (which are obviously much less reliable but were the only sources which seemed to answer your specific question), you don't have to be Hindu to stay at an ashram.

I am not trying to suggest that Doja Cat didn't necessarily practice Hinduism, but I am saying that she has never clarified or even mentioned whether or not she did, but has discussed living at an ashram, which is why I think it's safer to only include the latter statement. If there is evidence that being Hindu is a prerequisite for living at an ashram, it should be included in the article for ashrams itself. In any case, I think it would make more sense to keep it to only mentioning her living at an ashram, especially since the assertion that she identified as Hindu at the time is only made by one publication. Benmite (talk) 06:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Benmite, you make a good point. However I did another search and found a 2016 interview with Doja from a second-rate Wix-blog, which she would have obviously have done since she was barely popular at the time:

"As a child, Doja Cat found herself immersed in Hinduism: 'I practiced this religion for three years, in Agoura Hills, California. Hinduism inspired me a lot for this first part of my career. The world of the video for “So High” comes from my personal life, my past, it is not something that came out of nowhere.'"

I can understand how you may not want to cite this as per WP:BLOGS, but it is obviously her speaking and if included would be really good info for the Wiki page. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure that if Doja and her mother were actually "jobless" and "homeless" then that would find a way into articles about her too. But nonetheless if the phrase "practising Hinduism" is mentioned only once in a "reliable" source (the Fader video) compared to "ashram" which is mention several times, then rather not include it. HeyitsBen ^talk 14:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Just for clarification purposes, I wasn't trying to imply that Doja and her mother were homeless prior to living in an ashram, but merely that there could be other circumstances which prompted their moving to an ashram. Also, for reasons you already touched upon, I would suggest not using that blog post as a source. As you said, I think it's best to only mention the ashram here. Benmite (talk) 08:22, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Lead

In the lead it is stated that "Doja Cat's second studio album, Hot Pink (2019), reached the top 10 of the US Billboard 200 and spawned the single "Say So", which topped the Billboard Hot 100 chart following the release of two remixes featuring Nicki Minaj." There were not two remixes of a song. They're different versions of the same remix. Can somebody please change it? VersaceSpace (talk) 15:01, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Cornerstonepicker. I suggest we should just say "two versions" to prevent ambiguity. HeyitsBen ^talk 17:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2020

Change singer to rapper and mention singer second. I believe that it is important to mention Doja Cat as a writer foremost as the majority of her discography and career has to do with her rapping abilities. Bigroundwetmcmuffin (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Most people probably know her from her own music. But really, this is a cosmetic change. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Bigroundwetmcmuffin: I'd say that most of her discography is split 50/50 between rapping and singing, unless you can find a source that says she is more of a rapper. HeyitsBen ^talk 14:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Public image section

As of now, the public image section is one google statistic and the rest is plagued with controversies. I think we should either rename the section or shorten the parts that deal with controversy, because in its current state, if i was the average reader, I would think the public's perception of her is very negative. VERSACESPACE 04:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

GA status

I think we should consider nominating this article for GA status. VERSACESPACE 21:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Purrr! on MAU or RCA?

I'm really confused about the chronology of Doja's early career. She signed to Kemosabe and RCA in like 2013/14 but it seems as if she released Purrr! independently on her own "MAU" record label after signing to those big ones. RCA, however, had been promoting "So High" (a single from this independent EP) with music videos, blogposts and performances etc. even before the release of the EP. Could the EP possibly have been released through all three labels or am I missing something? HeyitsBen ^talk 13:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

References

I doubt RCA would promote a song off an EP that wasn't released on their label. versacespace 04:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

"Skilled internet troll"?

Says who? Saying stupid things on Tiktok is not "trolling". Can someone remove this highly subjective trash sentence, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.17.223 (talk) 12:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

The statement mirrors what the cited source says. versacespacetalk to me 14:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Pop is her primary genre

• Billboard: the pop star’s..
• TNYT: the pop star..
• BBC: Pop star..
• this one uses "pop-rap artist"
• Cosmopolitan: Pop-music new sensation

for the Infobox order. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Are edited photos allowed? Re: remini

Has anyone else noticed that her main photo has been artificially enhanced by the Remini app? it’s not even a real photo of her, the app creates HD photos of low-res images by filling in the dots Camdoodlebop (talk) 06:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

If that's true we need to change the picture now as it would violate copyright. versacespace 03:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

the photo they replaced it with is also enhanced with the remini app lol Camdoodlebop (talk) 00:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Camdoodlebop: hey! The company's terms of service (this) state that content enhanced by the app is not owned by them. Additionally, I didn't swap out that photo with this one, there was a different untouched photo in the lead for some time. You can view all of this in the page history. Thank you, versacespacetalk to me 00:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2021

Her song “Streets” has peaked at #16 on Billboard Hot 100 2601:204:CF01:30C0:604E:874:106:987B (talk) 03:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done I changed it. versacespacetalk to me 15:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Awards table format

Davey2010, you said "this is the standard format for tables here" in your edit summary, but I've never ever seen an awards table for a recording artist like that before. This table should follow the real standard format of recording artists awards, as represented by almost every article in Category:Lists of awards received by American musician (e.g. Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Cardi B, Billie Eilish etc.). Pinging VersaceSpace and Heartfox for input. HeyitsBen ^talk 09:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

IPs have apparently changed the list on the Billy Eilish article and on the Cardi B article which has gone unnoticed and obviously without consensus .... that being said once something's been changed and hasn't been reverted for some time the onus would then be on me to change these back. If you check all of the pages you will see these originally started off as Years only tables and that's how they should've remained - Either way the IPs who created this mess should've got consensus first instead of unilaterally changing everything. –Davey2010^Talk 12:06, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I would not support changing the awards and nominations table to a years-first format. When a casual reader wants to know about an artist, do they care about how many awards they won in a certain year, or do they care about how many Grammy Awards they have? I would say the latter is more beneficial to readers. If someone wants to sort it chronologically they can easily do so by pressing the column title. Heartfox (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

You're also referring to a different format in which each award is listed as a heading, and then the years are first in the tables below. That is not what was presented before reverted. Heartfox (talk) 20:17, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

We cannot read minds so therefore we wouldn't know what they care about. Personally I'd say awards received in x year is more beneficial than the award category but again I cannot read readers minds either. Like I said this has been the standard format for donkeys years but anyway I'll start an RFC in the coming weeks. Cheers. –Davey2010^Talk 20:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

New picture

Hey, I think this picture is quite ugly, can we get a new one? 173.52.117.126 (talk) 05:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, this photo is extremely out dated and weird. Change it to something prettier Dojacatfinantic (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Ashram details

Ok so I'm wondering if its WP:OR by including that Doja lived in Alice Coltrane's Sai Anantam Ashram in the mountains of Agoura Hills. I deduced this from the following things

• In this interview she says that Alice Coltrane was the swami of her ashram, and that her ashram was in the mountains.
• In this interview she says that the ashram was in Agoura Hills
• In this source and this Pitchfork article it says that Alice Coltrane's ashram was in the mountains of Agoura Hills.
• In this image, a very young Doja Cat can be seen in orange in the bottom left corner nearby Alice Coltrane.

I might also add the Vice image as an External media, since its very cute and interesting and whatever. Any thoughts? HeyitsBen ^talk 19:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

primary sources aren't good enough for full dob

Hey, Cybertrip, the California Birth Index isn't good enough, nor is a tweet. I can't get to the other source, but full dob needs to be widely published in reliable sources per Wikipedia:DOB. It's a BLP privacy issue. I'm going to remove again, and please let's discuss before putting it back in. —valereee (talk) 12:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

• Cybertrip, no, CBI is not good enough. Stop adding this and start discussing. —valereee (talk) 18:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
• Is this good enough to source the DOB? I'm not sure of PopBuzz's status as a reliable source. Looks kinda like its on shaky grounds but its all I could find and you never know: https://www.popbuzz.com/music/features/doja-cat/age-birthday/ versacespaceleave a message! 20:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Rapper/singer

@Cornerstonepicker: I thought we should just clarify this once and for all. I personally believe that Doja is equal parts singer and rapper but according to your logic it should be in the order most sources/journalists write, therefore it actually should be "rapper, singer..." and not "singer, rapper...". Just a simple google search of "doja cat" yielded these articles:

• Rolling Stone: "the rapper-singer’s"
• Pitchfork (1): "the 24-year-old rapper-singer and songwriter"
• Pitchfork (2): "Doja Cat is a rapper."
• NME: "The Los Angeles rapper/singer"
• Forbes: "the rapper/pop singer"
• Financial Times: "The Californian rapper, singer and TikTok star"
• Wall Street Journal: "Los Angeles rapper/singer"
• Complex: "The 25-year-old rapper, singer"
• V Magazine: "The rapper-singer"
• XXL: "The 25-year-old rapper-singer"
• Revolt: "the Los Angeles rapper/singer"
• The Ringer: "I might alternate between 'rapper' and 'singer' to describe her role on so many songs"

Pinging Leeeez for discussion since you two keep reverting each other. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 17:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Cybertrip:, I can cite, too, countless articles by googling «doja "singer and rapper"», like her AllMusic biography, iHeartRadio biography, her bio on the RCA Records page. Since we both in the same page, should this be an open poll? Aside from this, her breaktrough hit was a pop song where she sings 80% of the song, as she did in her other two mainstream singles. Then, she sings in the bigger portion of her albums. She is indeed a rapper, but in the works she presents, she's mostly a singer. Also, she submits her work to R&B and Pop categories in award shows. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:42, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Cornerstonepicker, I feel like by forcing the verbatim “singer and rapper” search is slightly unfair since you are obviously gonna get only the articles that have written that exactly. I don’t know where that “80%” estimate came from, and i also don’t know exactly which other two “mainstream singles” you’re referring to? “Boss Bitch” (a full rap song) was a smash in Europe and is one of her biggest ever, while “Ain't Shit” and “Need to Know” are incoming sleeper hits and are also primarily rap songs with sung choruses. Doja raps on pretty much every song in her discography. Some songs may have more rapping than singing, others may have more singing than rapping. She obviously broke through and made her name to the general public as a rapper since she rose to prominence with a rap song in “Mooo!” and her first-ever Billboard charting song (“Rules”) was a also a full rap song. She’s also been nominated twice in the hip-hop category at the BET Awards… but I can tell this argument is going nowhere with just you and I so I’d be more than happy if you opened a vote. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 10:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

-Support rapper before singer. The entire song of Tia Tamera is pure rap where there is almost little to no singing. Doja has done multiple songs where she raps, one pop song doesn't not make her a rapper. Interestingly, I've seen an increase of Bardigang claiming that Doja isn't a rapper due to her songs outcharting Cardi's heavily promoted songs. I think there is a correlation here. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 11:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

You got a point, Cybertrip. This should be a poll. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

RfC - Order of occupations

Doja Cat has been referred to as "singer and rapper" and "rapper and singer" in the article; right now is the latter. Both orders are backed by sources. Which should be the order in the opening sentence? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

-Support for "rapper and singer." I don't think someone who is a fan of someone who seems to use multiple cowriters for her bars can speak on Doja Cat. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 19:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Sir, Wikipedia is not a forum, nor your Twitter feed. Let's respect the topic of this conversation. We are grown men. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 20:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• Irrelevant – just leave the order alone. There's nothing in guidelines or sources to suggest one is preferred over the other, is there? They mean the same thing. Dicklyon (talk) 04:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

• leave the order alone.Thelostone41 (talk) 23:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
• Irrelevant It's all the same in whatever order it is written. Sea Ane (talk) 12:47, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
• idgaf but support for "rapper and singer" just so that the daily changes stop. FMSky (talk) 15:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
• Irrelevant - It literally doesn't matter and nobody except a handful of editors with some sort of axe to grind on the topic of female rappers cares about this in the slightest. PraiseVivec (talk) 19:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
• Singer and rapper Alphabetical order. ~ HAL333 20:39, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

  R goes before S. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

• Irrelevant, all the same thing regardless of how it's written. Idealigic (talk) 23:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
• No strong opinion, but leaning towards "singer and rapper" for consistency, and it just flows better in my opinion. -- dylx 02:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
• Irrelevant. Changing the order of addends does not change the sum. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 11:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
• Irrelevant but confused as to why users above are supporting "singer and rapper" because of its alphabetical order, when R comes before S in the alphabet... HvndsxmeSquidwvrd (talk) 14:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
• Irrelevant Means the same regardless of how its written. BristolTreeHouse (talk) 05:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
• Depends If more reliable sources describe her as a singer than a rapper, then singer should go first, and vice versa. Some1 (talk) 00:09, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

IPA needed

I don't know what this person is, other than her name being everywhere. What's needed, however, is an IPA. Is it "Doe-djah", "Doe-yah", "Doe-ha"..? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Mac Dreamstate,  Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Doja Cat's ancestry

On her Wikipedia page, it says that Doja's father Dumisani Dlamini is of Zulu descent. He is actually also of Indian Tamil descent ([https://www.screenafrica.com/2009/08/21/film/an-african-and-indian-journey-of-discovery), so that might be interesting to mention in her Early life section. 700h800 (talk) 05:21, 27 September 2021‎ (UTC)

 Added Thank you for this. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 10:12, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi this is distant ancestory because they way it is written this is insinuating that he is biracial leading to many people falsely identifying him ad biracial. He's a proud black man and many South Africans are not going to be happy about the false rumours of him being biracial Allegro56 (talk) 18:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2021

Doja Cat's father is not of Indian Tamil descent. He's South African. 117.249.228.94 (talk) 06:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. General Ization ^Talk 07:12, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Chronological vs thematic order of events

A tricky issue in the writing of this article is that there are many events (e.g. sleeper hits) that relate to one another but are separated by long periods of time. When paired together in one paragraph against MOS:BLPCHRONO, they may confuse readers since they flip back and forth in time. Here are some existing examples I've noticed in the body:

• "Candy" released in March 2018 → charts for the first time in November 2019
• Hot Pink released in November 2019 → peaks at #9 on BB200 in May 2020
• Dlamini born in 1995 → current father estrangement info (and then immediately dives back into baby life)

Are these valid exceptions to BLPCHRONO? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 09:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Alt-Right Chatroom

She wasn't in alt-right chatrooms. See video for primary source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.60.54.18 (talk) 05:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Legal name

According to the California Birth Index, her first name is legally Amalaratna (no space). However, her Wiki page incorrectly states that it is "Amala Ratna". Link: https://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/amalaratna_zandile_dlamini_born_1995_23577474 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youdontknowmelikeido (talk • contribs) 22:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Youdontknowmelikeido: the California Birth Index is known to join multiple first names without a space. "Amala" and "Ratna" are in fact separate names according to the various repertory systems (ASCAP, BMI etc.) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 10:16, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Absurdly humorous

Under the section "Public image" it would be better to say something like "she's known for her use of absurd humour" than to say she's "known for her absurdly humorous personality", given the latter makes it sound like Wikipedia is claiming she is undoubtedly very funny rather than that she often uses a particular form of comedy. Even with the wiki link the language still comes across as too ambiguous and worshipful to be encyclopedic. 174.90.223.132 (talk) 03:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

To clear things up

I recently added the fact that Dumisani Dlamini is of Indian Tamil descent as per this talk page request by User:700h800, who cited a 2009 article about a film in which two South African filmmakers (Feizel Mamdoo and Dumisani Dlamini) explore their Indian ancestry.

Following uproar on Twitter and intense research from Doja Cat fans, it was brought to my attention that the Dumisani Dlamini in this context is a younger and lesser-known filmmaker of the same name. This tweet points out the dissimilarity in physical appearance between the younger Dumisani from an excerpt of this film (and is also interviewed here), and the older and better-known Dumisani from Sarafina!. I also completely overlooked a complicated sentence from the film article involving death and the younger Dumisani, yet I struggle to comprehend it correctly (the sentence ends in “is one day found dead”). Only later did I find this Sunday Times obituary from 2004 for 29-year old filmmaker Dumisani Dlamini. The only thing that confuses me is that the film premiered in 2009 and this Dlamini died in 2004, unless it was released posthumously. But I think it’s safe to say that the Indian Tamil progeny pertains to another Dumisani Dlamini, and therefore Doja Cat is actually not of Indian descent. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:16, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit. The matter seeking consensus is the use of TopHit.ru as a source for song release dates. Thank you, Heartfox (talk) 04:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Typo in second paragraph of first section, "Early life"

"While living at the commune, Dlamini started wearing head-covering scarves and singing bhajans at temple,[1] yet felt like she could not properly "be a kid" with Hinduism's constraining customs.[28][25] Her then family returned to California in Oak Park,[15] […]"

"Her then family" should presumably be corrected to "Her family then". Thank you. Protásio Fagundes (talk) 22:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2022

Change 'poplocking troupe' under the Early Life section to 'popping crew', which is the proper terminology. 122.151.213.234 (talk) 10:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉️] 20:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2022

Move the review given by 'the wall street journal' from the main section to the section called 'Public Image'. It fits better. Because no other music artist has praises in the main section, doesn't feel right. 132.191.3.250 (talk) 05:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Other artists have similar summarizing comments in the lead. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

She has retired

I think maybe we should reveal to this page about her retirement due to her Twitter drama with the fans. Ulises1126 (talk) 22:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Looks like someone has done this. Slowcolt (talk) 23:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Use this: https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/doja-cat-everything-is-dead-appears-to-quit-music-1235049167/ Kailash29792 (talk) 06:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Should we change the years active on the main template Cwater1 (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1: She's obviously not quitting just yet because she performed another concert the day after those tweets. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 09:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh okay. I see Cwater1 (talk) 00:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2022

Hi I wanted to edit this page because it's really out daed so please let me kindly edit this page.

24.44.45.50 (talk) 19:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2022

71.198.7.227 (talk) 01:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Doja Cat says the N word in her songs

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 02:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2022

It says Doja was born and raised in LA but there’s an interview of her saying she was born in Tanzania and moved to Rye NY as a child. 2600:8801:D90D:F100:9996:703E:6BFD:9DF3 (talk) 02:37, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2022

Doja cat ended her career 2022 over a concert put that in as she has said she is retiring from music. 108.26.178.146 (talk) 01:23, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Nythar (talk) 01:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2022

Add a link to the first "marijuana" (The last word in the "2012–2017: Career beginnings and record deal" section), and remove the link to the "marijuana" on the second paragraph of "2018–2019: Amala and "Mooo!". Coolbeans Cruz (talk) 22:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done 💜  melecie  talk - 10:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Removal of sourced but negative information

Aureus d'Aurelien has continued to remove well sourced information from the article, not just the controversy section on the basis that WP:CSECTION applies, however I'm not seeing how this is true in this case as it's completely well sourced and it doesn't address their removal of content from other sections. If the title of the section is problematic, it should be changed but I fail to see why well sourced, reliably sourced criticism should be removed just on the basis that it's criticism. I know nothing about the subject but this seems inappropriate to me and like an attempt at whitewashing, so I'm bringing it here for discussion. PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Praxidicae: I have this page watchlisted, and as someone who keeps up with her career I'll insert my two cents. IMO the article's coverage about the controversies, particularly the Tinychat nonsense and her encounter with COVID-19, is completely justified because of a preponderance of RS about them. Though I will concede that there is merit to removing a separate "Controversies" subsection (it gives undue weight to shit that won't significantly affect her career long term), the content itself should not be removed. Instead of removing the controversy section altogether, we should merge it into "Public image". Doja Cat is pretty known as the "chronically online person" who gets herself in a lot of shenanigans online, which explains much of these controversies. There are enough sources in the world - some even in the article itself - to make the connection between the "chronically online" persona and her being a controversy magnet, so a merge would make the most sense. ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 14:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll admit, I kinda skimmed this because I have no interest in the actual subject matter (sorry) but I'm in general agreement with you from a WP perspective. Perhaps some of this can be moved to other sections or the actual section title re-written. It seems most of it is pretty WP:DUE aside from the small amount you pointed out but I think we also agree wholesale removal is/was inappropriate. PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

You thought it appropriate to rv my edits twice even though you "have no interest in the actual subject matter" and you admit that you merely "kinda skimmed this"? Most of the section has no encyclopedic value whatsoever, and that material which one could argue (not me, I think it's all rubbish) does have value, could be easily be incorporated into the article proper. But you thought it appropriate to ignore my attempts to open a dialogue with you on your talk page, and instead revert twice, and then characterize my efforts as "Aureus d'Aurelien has continued to remove well sourced information from the article, not just the controversy section..." Really? Are websites like "The Ringer", "Billboard", "Vulture", "Uproxx" good sources? And what "well-sourced information" did I remove that was "not just the controversy section"? Forgive me, but it doesn't seem as though you are acting in good faith here. Aureus d'Aurelien (talk) 15:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I skimmed the response not the article itself. All you're doing is vandalizing by removing sourced content without a legitimate reason, as evidenced by Elias' response above. Stop. PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Are you okay? Aureus d'Aurelien (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Are you? PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I know you are but what am I?! Aureus d'Aurelien (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

With all due respect to both of you, please stop. Instead of this, why not come up with a consensus on how we can rewrite the content from the "Controversy" section? I have already proposed it to merge to "Public image"; it's just a matter of everyone else here agreeing. ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 16:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aureus d'Aurelien: Vulture, a website under New York, is WP:RSPSS greenlit. Billboard is an established source wrt the music industry - it's been existing for a while - and has an extensive editorial team. Uproxx has an editorial team and a clearly laid out editorial policy here which sufficiently satisfies the RS criteria of "needs evidence of editorial oversight". The Ringer displays its masthead here. They seem reliable to me for getting information.

And before it happens, please let's not sling conduct-related accusations at each other. I know it's easy to lose cool when discussing pretty major changes like this but remember to focus on content. That's what we're here to do - to improve what's written in the article. ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 15:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not going to engage with the childish behavior of the young gentleman above.

Good luck, I'm out. Aureus d'Aurelien (talk) 16:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

First, I'm not a gentleman, second, there is nothing childish. I started a discussion to talk about your disruptive edits and come to a consensus about the correct way to handle this. If you don't wish to engage, you're welcome to step away but in doing so, you need to refrain from editing the article. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I tried to engage you in discussion on your Talk page, and you refused.

Instead, you reverted, twice, and then accused *me*, falsely of removing information outwith the controversy, "vandalism," whitewashing, etc. Saying "Stop", like a petulant toddler.

And now you continue with your ill-tempered outbursts "you need to refrain from editing the article". Looking at your Talk page, that seems to be your primary mode of interaction. This is exactly why I've refrained from editing for so long - too much like a nasty social media platform full of bitter, teenaged incels shouting "vandalism!" at anyone they disagree with, rather than a collegial community aimed at building an online encyclopedia.

So congrats, you confirmed my initial suspicions.

I won't make this mistake again. Aureus d'Aurelien (talk) 16:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

You're free to disengage, although I advise you refrain from saying things like "childish behavior". It really does not help anyone and causes more disruption. You appear to be new here; I would suggest reading WP:CIVIL. ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 16:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I began in civility, PRAXIDICAE responded with invective. I don't have time for this. Aureus d'Aurelien (talk) 16:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

This appears to be resolved, the user vandalizing the article is confirmed sock. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

that is... certainly something to wake up to. Yikes 😬 ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me}
_{📝see my work} 00:04, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Jewish-American

Jewish is not a race it’s a religion. Come on!!! 2601:340:4200:DE30:64EE:3AA5:71DC:7C1D (talk) 15:58, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

2601:340:4200:DE30:64EE:3AA5:71DC:7C1D “Jewish” in this context is being used to refer to ethnicity, not race or religion (as per Jewish Americans). —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 11:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Both are considered acceptable uses of the word. (Walker Snarling) (talk) 22:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Typo

The Wikipedia page is saying she is well versed in the Internet which is untrue as she knows nothing about the protocols or languages that build the Internet so wouldn't it be better to say she is well versed in social media? 89.100.127.214 (talk) 20:23, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

89.100.127.214 Good point. Changed to “internet culture” since it isn’t referring only to social media. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 11:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Typo

s/infuence/influence

Context: Doja Cat names Nicki Minaj (pictured) as her biggest infuence. 2001:8B0:2C7:357C:A4F9:5C2D:2980:A427 (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit request

The article says "Dlamini is relatively quiet about her personal life" and then goes on with detailed minutiaie of her private life. The article citation does not say this. It says she is "eager to deflect interest in her personal life". Could then the first sentence be rewritten to "Dlamini is said to be 'eager to deflect interest in her personal life'". Or could it be deleted since it does not comport with the rest of the paragraph. 104.151.0.194 (talk) 22:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done Good observation. I think it's beneficial to include how Dlamini feels about divulging her personal life to the public, but I do agree the sentence should be more accurate. It has been refactored to say Dlamini is reported to be "eager to deflect interest in her personal life". —Sirdog (talk) 08:49, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music 209

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 October 2022 and 15 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Divineo1 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Divineo1 (talk) 17:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

About the lead sentence

WP:ROLEBIO should be respected. Doja Cat only produced 5 songs so "record producer" (which has already been included in the infobox) shouldn't be included in the lead sentence imo. It doesn't matter whether this is cited or how many times this is stated within the article. Also, I oppose the use of "singer-songwriter". Thedarkknightli (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

For one:

"A singer-songwriter is a musician who writes, composes, and performs their own musical material, including lyrics and melodies"

Doja has been confirmed to have all of those things for her own stuff, in the same vein as say, Juice WRLD and XXXTENTACION.

& for two:

She is literally referenced as being a producer multiple times, her being listed as a record producer is a mundane thing to be upset about. 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 00:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Could you please list the sources that describe her as a record producer here? Thedarkknightli (talk) 01:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

bet

https://consequence.net/2019/11/album-review-doja-cat-hot-pink/

https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/doja-cat-hot-pink-interview-8544497/

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/doja-cat-hot-pink/ 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 01:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Mmm, I haven't found anything relevant in the third one; I'm afraid the rest aren't reliable enough. "Record producer" has to be proved notable enough before being added to the lead sentence. Thedarkknightli (talk) 12:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Doja Cat made her name as a producer with her early work and SoundCloud releases as a teenager (which evidently haven't been widely reported on), and even now she is credited as the executive producer and engineer on most of her current projects. Although its not a reliable source, a simple YouTube search gives you the idea, but nowadays its assumed that she hands most of her demos to professional producers to pick up on. I'd like to open a WP:RfC on this if you think its OK, 4TheLuvOfFax and Thedarkknightli. Thedarkknightli, can I also ask what you mean by not "reliable enough"? Billboard and Consequence are two of the most well-respected music publications of the digital era. I also have a couple more articles from other publications denoting her as a producer/"beatmaker" if you'd like.

I do, however, also appose the use of "singer-songwriter" since that is usually referred to people who write all their own music, whereas Doja occasionally has co-writers and co-producers. Thanks —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Some singer-songwriters occasionally have co-writers and co-producers, like Taylor Swift and Adele (who are probably two of the most prominent examples of "singer-songwriters" out there). 4TheLuvOfFax (talk) 02:05, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Please forget what I said about the sources 4TheLuvOfFax listed here. My bad. Sorry for being both ignorant and sloppy.

Not sure if an RfC is necessary for this cuz I've just found multiple reliable sources that describe her as a producer: here (already in the article), here, here, and here. Regards, Thedarkknightli (talk) 03:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)