Talk:Elishe

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Eliseus Vartaped

This author is NOT known as 'Yeghishe' in English. The translations of his work call him Eliseus Vartaped. I have spent quite some time looking for this article, and failing, so we need a change here. Roger Pearse (talk) 06:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 November 2020

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Moved as proposed. After extended time for discussion, there is no opposition to the proposal, and the proposer has presented reasonable evidence of the most common name. BD2412 T 03:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeghishe → Elishe – Per WP:COMMON NAME

Some examples:

History of Vardan and the Armenian War - "But Elishe’s account is far more circumstantial."

EŁIŠĒ

The History of Ancient Iran, 1984 - "From the edict of Mihr Narseh sent to the Armenians, as reproduced by Elishe"

Elishe Vardape

Bonner, Michael (2020). The Last Empire of Iran. - "But the Armenian historians Lazar and Elishe"

Zoroastrianism in Armenia (1987) "As a possible analogy one might adduce the names of the Arm. province of Siwnik (Pawstos Biwzand, Elishe, Lazar Parpeci)"

Sasanian Persia: The Rise and Fall of an Empire (2014) "Also such Armenian sources as Ełishe"

--HistoryofIran (talk) 19:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It's not enough for there to be examples of the use of the proposed title. What evidence is there that this usage is more common than the existing title? BD2412 T 04:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, by those examples I meant to show that modern scholarship generally refers to him as Elishe. Is there any other way to prove this? --HistoryofIran (talk) 06:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply. I was thinking of something like search engine hits or an Ngram, though this Ngram comparison of the terms is difficult to parse. BD2412 T 20:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well the search engine hits is a tricky one, considering he seems to have a regular Armenian name, and thus it may include other figures as well, no? Not sure I did it correctly, but when I wrote 'Elishe Armenian historian' I got 8.150.000 results and 'Yeghishe Armenian historian' -> 97.800 results. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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