Talk:FBI Buffalo Field Office

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Former good article nomineeFBI Buffalo Field Office was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 5, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
July 18, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 5, 2008.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the FBI Buffalo Field Office (patch pictured) houses over ten different investigative programs and two different specialty programs?
Current status: Former good article nominee

Assessment[edit]

If someone could please assess this article for me I would greatly appreciate it :), Also to the assessor, if it isn't too much trouble could you please leave some feedback on how I could improve the article? Thank You. --Mifter (talk) 01:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Start for now. If the references and external links are named rather than left as URLs and if each section is expanded to include more information (where possible) then it will be a B I have no doubt. Good work SGGH speak! 17:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still think it made need more information, is there any history to add? SGGH speak! 12:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was just going to add a bit of new info that I had found, but so far I have yet to find any info about its history but I will keep working to get this article to B-class :). Thanks,--Mifter (talk) 22:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

I'm not 100% sure that this entity is notable, since it's essentially just a "chain or franchise" of the larger FBI organization. It has some recent news coverage, and it's certainly interesting, but is the individual branch notable? SDY (talk) 18:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See this conversation for what might be done to make the article salvagable. SDY (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Lackawanna Six are kind of a WP:BLP1E-esque problem: was the office notable prior to this event? Is the office notable after this event? Could the relevant information just be merged into Buffalo Six? My spin on this is that if the Buffalo office is notable, all field offices would have to be. A list of field offices is certainly appropriate, as the WP:NOTABILITY suggests. An article about field offices in general is essentially just a daughter article from FBI (obviously notable).

The Organizations section on the notability criteria more or less excludes regional branches of larger organizations. If the office were an independent entity, it would be notable. Otherwise, it's just part of the FBI.

WP:IAR should really only be invoked if there is no other reasonable way to do it. In this case, I see obvious alternatives: move the parts relevant to the Buffalo Six into the article on the Buffalo Six and have a general article about field offices. SDY (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, After thinking about the possible solutions to this, I believe that I have found something that would satisfy both of our concerns (Mine saying that this is notable and you saying that if this is notable then all Field Offices have to be notable), I agree that not all of the 56 FBI Field Offices are notable, for instanse there is the FBI Portland Field Office which in my opinion is totally non-notable being that it has never been involved in anything significant and there is next to no coverage of it in any news sources. So what I propose is a total overhaul of List of FBI Field Offices, where each field office would get a small paragraph (Or shorter depending if there is anything at all notable about that particular office) and for the 10 or so Field Offices that are in fact notable (The Buffalo Field Office, etc.) they would still have a paragraph but at the top of the paragraph would be {{main article}}, linking to that particular offices page (Only the 10 or so Notable ones would have an article), I am going for something like what is done for the Characters of the His Dark Materials series, where only the notable main character have an article but all of them are mentioned here, of course there would be differences being that this would be with FBI Field Offices not Characters of a Book but I still think that the concept of only the notable Offices having pages but all of them being mentioned at the list of Field Offices would work here. I am open to any feedback about my suggestion and look froward to seeing what you have to think about this :). Thanks and All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 22:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's a strange case, and I'm not 100% sure what to make of it. Essentially, FBI is the parent of FBI field offices is the parent of Buffalo Field office, and this article is just a sub-sub-article of an obviously notable topic.
I buy that logic, but I'm going to drop a line at the village pump. SDY (talk) 23:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like to go by general notability guidelines when dealing with stuff like this: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable." It has more than significant coverage, so I have no problem with its notability.

It doesn't necessarily follow that if this one is notable, then all are notable; that is a fallacy of association. All that matters is whether or not the subject has received multiple bits of independent coverage in reliable sources independent of a single event. The same standard should apply to everything, independent of whether or not there exists articles or coverage on similar topics. Celarnor Talk to me 03:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My question is essentially "when does a part of a notable organization become notable in and of itself?" I think that's what the guideline for organization notability is trying to get at. Coverage of the Wendy's where someone found a finger in their chili does not make that particular restaurant notable, even though news reports will probably identify the specific restaurant. SDY (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review ideas[edit]

Mifter has asked me to take a look and offer suggestions:

  • Lead needs to be expanded slightly, but the list of regions is perhaps too much for it.
  • Is there an infobox?
  • The wanted section is perhaps not necessary, the article isn't doing the work of the FBI. The FBI wanted site itself would be where this information is expected.
  • The article is almost all bullet points. I appreciate why, but perhaps with more prose it would be a better read.
  • Hop the images around so they are not all on the right side.
  • Expand the image captions so they are more informative.
  • Notes ought to, in my opinion, come before External links.
  • Is there anything to be gained by trying a "History" section?

All the best, hope these help! SGGH ping! 22:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He has asked me again, and so far:
    • I think many of the bullet points could be converted to prose if possible
    • Some of the info is slightly info-brochure-ish. Remember Wikipedia is more of a dictionary less of a public info service, for instance the most wanted section is possibly not needed though the one about the Top 10 FBI most wanted individual is interesting.
    • I think the lead still needs expanding, possibly including some sort of history section.

I'll have more of a look after work. Remember I'm only quoting things that might be improved, there are plenty of good things about the article. Well done. S.G.(GH) ping! 15:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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