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Quote from the section "Noun inflection": Inflection for case on the noun itself is required in the singular for strong masculine and neuter nouns in the genitive and sometimes in the dative. Both of these cases are losing ground to substitutes in informal speech. The dative ending is considered somewhat old-fashioned in many contexts and often dropped.

One must distinguish here between the wide-spread loss of the genitive case in informal speech and that of the dative ending. The genitive is not much used in colloquial German (des Mannes > von dem Mann), but there is no tendency to avoid the dative. Only the noun ending (dem Manne) is usually lost, but the dative as such is stable because the article retains its dative form.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19 October 2012‎

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The "Deutsches Wöerterbuch" helped to standardize German orthography.[edit]

No, it actually didn't. Adelung's dictionary ("Grammatisch-Kritisches Wörterbuch der Hochdeutschen Mundart", 1793) was more influential, Duden helped to standardize the orthography in the late 19th century. Grimm's influence on German orthography was not that big. He preferred a more historic spelling that wasn't accepted. Just take the foreword of the "Deutsches Wörterbuch": "Wörterbuch ist die alphabetische verzeichnung der wörter einer sprache. sein begrif gründet wesentliche und durchdringende gegensätze zwischen alter und neuer zeit." There's no capitalization of nouns, no <ß>. However all these spellings had already been adopted for quite a century before Grimm's dictionary. Writers of the 18th and early 19th century used Adelung's dictionary (cf. Goethe). Take a look at his foreword: "Da ich diejenigen Gegenstände, welche in der Vorrede zur ersten Ausgabe dieses Wörterbuches berühret worden, theils seitdem an andern Orten vollständiger und gründlicher vorgetragen habe, theils noch künftig in meiner Geschichte der Deutschen Sprache und Litteratur mit mehr Ausführlichkeit bearbeiten werde; die Einrichtung des Werkes auch aus der ersten Ausgabe bekannt genug ist: so werde ich mich hier bloß auf dasjenige einschränken, was in gegenwärtiger Bearbeitung von mir geleistet worden." Adelung uses capitalization and the <ß>, indeed it is very similar to the orthography that the German states (and Duden) used in the late 19th century. So Grimm's dictionary (first volume published 61 years after Adelung's dictionary) had little to do with the standardization of German orthography.-- (talk) 01:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)