Talk:Giant slalom

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Giant slalom Mike Cline (talk) 14:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Giant slalom skiingGiant slalomCommon name; "giant slalom skiing" is rather uncommon, and the disambiguation is not required. As the other slaloms have no giant version there is no potential for misunderstanding. (talk) 02:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Keep "skiing". The word "slalom" occurs in other sports. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:47, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
That is why we have slalom and slalom skiing. You will have noticed that Giant slalom is a redirect. This is because it is the only most well known giant slalom (i.e. the primary topic) The need for disambiguation is weakened as the only other giant slalom is always (as far as I have seen) known as "parallel giant slalom". In any case that would be the topic in need of a qualifier.
Furthermore "slalom skiing" is occasionally used for "alpine skiing" and is therefore more acceptable as a title. This is not the case for "giant slalom skiing". "Giant slalom" is the name and the common name of the discipline. (talk) 11:39, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment is this only about the skiing discipline, or does this also cover solo giant slalom in snowboarding? (the intro seems to cover both, but the body of the article does not) -- (talk)
    • If this is only about skiing, then isn't the common name G.S. ? -- (talk) 01:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't think GS is the most common in prose. It is certainly not common enough for it to be the title. (talk) 14:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. Clearly the primary topic. Apteva (talk) 22:46, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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New Giant Slalom photos (from 2011) added to Commons (2014)[edit]

Still feeling some of the Sochi Olympic Games afterglow, I've uploaded a few "new" GS images to Commons, captured in 2011 in Norway. I integrated a couple into the article, but present more here for your review, should you be interested.

Last one is actually post-slalom, not GS... Right now I've made the second image the lede image for our article here, and the third image is also now in the article. Cheers. JDanek007Talk 21:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

GS and so on[edit]

Dear Sir, I would like to give some notes - I would like to express that the most I know by myself but I would like to cit. German Wikiepdia too.

GS (or G.S.) is often because the name is very long (therefore downhills ar DH, Slaloms SL and Combined C; Super-G remains Super-G; maybe, Parallel Slaloms are P).
Parallel GS-Races are most in the snowboard sports, but since December 2015, there is - as a Alpine World Cup race - held a Parallel GS in Alta Badia after the "Original GS".
New regulations do, in general, forbid to go return, if a racer missis a gate (ore make another mistake).  
You write about two legs since 1966 World Championships, but also in the World Cup there are two legs since starting World Cup Races in January 1967 (regarding male races). Two legs in female races are since the season 1977/78. - I would like to point out that one of the first male giant slalom (carried out in two legs) was on two days (January 28th/29th, 1966) in Megève, won by Jean-Claude Killy and two other French racers on the podium (it was called as an experiment). In the first years those Giant Slaloms were further carried out in two days, and newspapers did write of a "First run" and a "Second Run" (like it would be two different races). There were exceptions: On March 19th, 1967, men's GS at Vail was only carried out in one leg - on the other hand there were 3 women GS carried out before 1977/78: January 27th/28th, 1967 (Saint-Gervais-les-Bains), January 7th, 1972 (Maribor) and anew at St. Gervais on January 22nd, 1972.
Just at that moment I could see that on January 6th, 1967, at Berchtesgaden (there was held the first World-Cup-GS on that day) was carried out only in one leg. -- (talk) 08:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC).
It is to say that order of start is identical with that of the slalom. Before the season 1971/72, order of start was devided in groups (in general, each group did consist 15 racers); Group One (1-15) was for the "Best racers of the World", followed by "Group two" (16-30) a.s.o. Maybe, a Group Four or Five didn't consist 15 racers (by lack on racers - also it could happen that a group did consist 16 racers. In contrary to current time, the FIS did make racer-rankings only before and in the half of a season (you will understand, because it is very difficult to calculate; at that time it was mental arithmetic connected with adding-machines). It could happen that the 15th place (or 30th place) was tied, therefore there were 16 racers in that group). A draw was responsible for awarding the bib numbers, therefore the best racer could obtain number 15. (I would like to add, that - until 1992/93 - order of start in downhill and Super-G was made in this wise.)
Start of the second leg was handled by reversing the bib numbers. Now (in general) bib number 15 was the first who did start - and after bib number one, the next was bib number 30. - If a racer with bib number 32 would have clocked with an excellent time, maybe 3rd or first (I don't no about a best time, but in the men's slalom of 1970 World Championships a racer from the USA did finish 3rd but didn't finish the second leg), he had to race the second leg (in the worst case) as the fortyfourth. Such a method was unfair, and Mr. Bibbo Nordenskjold from Sweden (you may label him as forward-thinking Alpine Skiing pioneer) did create a new formula: The 15th-placed of the first leg should start as the first - until the best-placed as the 15th, followed by the 16th of the race until to the last. That regulation became the name "Bibbo-regulation". Erik Håker was the first winner of such a race (GS at Val d’Isère on December 9th, 1971). - Maybe two years later, that regulation was overtrumped with the so-called "Super-Bibbo" which was applied for several years: Now the 5th-placed did start the second leg - and after the first-placed, the 6th-placed did continue. Of course, mainly races were decided after that time when the best placed of the first run did do her/his race. "Super-Bibbo" did intensify that trend. At that time TV-broadcasting hadn't considerably influence but over the time it did, and the viewers did kill or change the channel when the first one of the first leg had finished. However, maybe in the season 1981/82 there was a return to simple "Bibbo"-regulations. 
Since the season 1986/87 (after first beginnings in 1984/85, that only in a few female races - in 1985/86 in all female races; in regard to male races only until to the end of the year 1985), a so-called "cut" was established: Only the first 30 of the first leg were allowed to start in the second leg. In general, order of start was constant, but it was allowed to begin with the 30th-placed (it was said, if weather and snow condition are perfect and unvulnerably fairness). But further only the first 15 in the classement could gain points (of course, the 30th-placed of the first run could be one of them in the first 15; because first starting racers are in advantage due to better snow conditions it did happen in several times - and it does it still - that such racers could/can achieve the Top Ten). I would like to point out that "cut"-regulations are only guilty in the World Cup, not in World Championships or Olympics, but also there sometimes that regulations were applied. (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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