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A fact from Gibraltar Cross of Sacrifice appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 November 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Gibraltar Cross of Sacrifice (pictured) commemorates the sailors, soldiers and airmen of the Commonwealth of Nations who died in the two World Wars?

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Proposed Deletion

I propose for deletion this paragraph as being extraneous to the this article's topic, seeing as nothing about Gibraltar is mentioned in it. The details should be adequately covered in the article on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission itself:

The Imperial War Graves Commission was established during the First World War to discover, identify, and inter with military honours the remains of British Empire military personnel who died during war.^[1] It was founded in 1915 by Sir Fabian Ware (17 June 1869 – 29 April 1949) as the Graves Registration Commission. However, prior to the official acknowledgement of his organisation by the War Office in 1915, Ware had served as commander of a British Red Cross Society unit. Under his direction, war graves were recorded and tended by the mobile unit. In 1915, his unit was transferred from the Red Cross to the British Army.^[2]^[3] With the support of the Prince of Wales, Ware contacted the Imperial War Conference and, in May 1917, the Graves Registration Commission was renamed the Imperial War Graves Commission, established by Royal charter.^[2]^[4] The Prince of Wales served as President of the commission and Ware as Vice Chairman. Ware retained that title until his retirement in 1948.^[3] The name of the commission was changed to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission in the 1960s.^[5]

^ "Veterans Cemetery, God's Acre – The Cross of Sacrifice". veterans.gc.ca. Veterans Affairs Canada. Retrieved 10 October 2012.
^ ^a ^b "History of CWGC". cwgc.org. Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Retrieved 10 October 2012.
^ ^a ^b "Major General Sir Fabian Ware". veterans-uk.info. Veterans UK. Retrieved 10 October 2012.
^ Mosse, George L (12 December 1991). Fallen Soldiers:Reshaping the Memory of the World Wars (reprint, illustrated ed.). Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195071399. Retrieved 15 October 2012.
^ "The Second World War". cwgc.org. Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Retrieved 10 October 2012.

I have slightly rewritten the first sentence of the paragraph following that one to make it clear the memorial was created under the auspices of the then IWGC.Cloptonson (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cloptonson, I removed most of that paragraph in this edit. Carcharoth (talk) 08:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Error regarding original location

I've just been discussing the general article Cross of Sacrifice (on the talk page over there, I raise the same concern that was expressed above - I agree with the concern that too much extraneous background detail is provided in this article). One major error I noted on reading through this article concerns the original location of the Cross of Sacrifice. The Cross of Sacrifice was originally in the cemetery and only moved to its current location in the 1940s. This is stated here at the CWGC page for the cemetery (the CWGC page on the memorial, used here, says nothing on this). The article gets things very wrong at a couple of points because of this error. The paragraph starting 'The location of the Gibraltar Cross of Sacrifice outside North Front Cemetery is uncommon' needs to be rewritten. I'm going to remove it for now. Carcharoth (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've made changes with these two edits: [1], [2]. I am not sure whether the picture currently used in the article (image) is the original location or later, as the picture information page indicates that the "1920s" date is actually uncertain. Pinging Prioryman who uploaded the picture and might be able to say more. Also, if someone could look up more details of exactly when the rebuilt cross was put up (there might have been a re-dedication ceremony) and what the "military reasons" were for its original take down in 1941, that would be great. Carcharoth (talk) 09:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to those questions. Gibmetal77 might be able to help, though. Prioryman (talk)

Thanks. There was also a small memorial to the casualties of SS Woodfield in the cemetery, this memorial being "demolished" according to North Front Cemetery#Gibraltar Memorial. The names there were put on the memorial erected after WW2, the one associated with this Cross of Sacrifice. I suspect they were erected together at the same time, but a source on the actual date and details is needed. Carcharoth (talk) 09:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[canada-1] "Veterans Cemetery, God's Acre – The Cross of Sacrifice". veterans.gc.ca. Veterans Affairs Canada. Retrieved 10 October 2012.

[ware-2] "History of CWGC". cwgc.org. Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Retrieved 10 October 2012.

[veteransuk-3] "Major General Sir Fabian Ware". veterans-uk.info. Veterans UK. Retrieved 10 October 2012.

[mosse-4] Mosse, George L (12 December 1991). Fallen Soldiers:Reshaping the Memory of the World Wars (reprint, illustrated ed.). Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195071399. Retrieved 15 October 2012.

[5] "The Second World War". cwgc.org. Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Retrieved 10 October 2012.

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