Talk:Gigi Hadid/Archive 1
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Add Ethnicity
1. Models' ethnicities are highly relevant. People want to know what mix or lack of mix created such a look.
2. She is half Dutch, half Palestinian. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/palestinian-details-refugee/ She will be listed as what she identifies as.
3. Why not half Israeli? Yes, I understand that technically her father was born in 1948, a few months after Palestine turned into Israel. However, take this hypothetical situation: Gigi's father is hypothetically born in 1948 Palestine (a few months *before* it was Israel), is a Jew, and identifies as Israeli; Gigi, in turn, identifies as Israeli. Would we be having a discussion about why Gigi should be half Palestinian and her father should be called Palestinian since he was technically born in Palestine? No, we wouldn't. We'd call him Israeli, no questions asked, and anyone that did question it would be an idiot.
Enough with the nonsense. She is half Palestinian, and identifies as so, and half Dutch; her father is a Palestinian, which is an ethnic group not limited or bound by the borders of Israel.
4. Notice, on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians page, that the populations of non-pre-1948-born Palestinians, and even foreign (non-Palestinian, non-Israeli born) born populations are listed as 'Palestinians' and not 'Israelis', as it is obviously not a requirement to be born in 1948/pre-1948 Palestine to be considered Palestinian, and born or raised in another country does not erase ethnic identity.
ADD ETHNICITY ASAP. Stop warring.
Political2002 (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
People come to Wikipedia because they are interested in ethnicity. Providing ethnic background under early life is an important part of this page. Please open editing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcharters92 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
MOS and BLP vios
An anon IP has been edit warring so quickly and determinedly to revert to MOS vios (placing footnotes in infobox for things that can be footnoted in article) and BLP vios (making blatantly uncited persona-life claim about a living subject's family, specifically siblings) that I can only make a note of his 3RR vios after he already went over 3RR. I have since warned him, I have contacted an admin about page protection, and I am going to the 3RR Noticeboard. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- He continues to compound his edit-warring, removing a cite that he had improperly placed in the infobox and then not placing it in the article body, keeping a raw URL rather than the properly cited URL, and continuing to make uncited claims about a living person's siblings in defiance of WP:BLP. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- I have cited every detail with a ref, and improved her infobox to look more Wikipedia-esque and plain professional. 109.64.38.239 (talk) 18:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
- Discuss it here, achieve consensus, THEN the article can be changed. Even if you think you are right, you ARE editwarring. Thank you. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 18:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Block evasion?
That blocked anon IP appears to have returned as the SPA 79.179.166.109]. I have go to that IP's talk page and informed him that when reverted, per WP:BRD he should discuss his proposed edit on the talk page. I noted that this is not an article about her father, so where her father was born is irrelevant. He appears to be a sock-puppet of the blocked IP 109.64.38.239, judging from his edits' similarity to this one of his.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Gigi Hadid's father was born in Nazareth, Israel
Cited sources approving her father was born in Nazareth, Israel:
1. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155013#.VdDqZ5eZCf5
2. http://ethnicelebs.com/Gigi-Hadid
According to Wikipedia, and the UN, Nazareth is a legitimate Israeli city.
Gigi's father identity is relevant to Gigi's biography, but user Tenebrae keeps on reverting due to obvious biased POV. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- We have two cites giving the father's ethnicity as Palestinian-American and his occupation as a real-estate developer. Anything beyond these basic identifiers about a non-notable parent is irrelevant in an article about his model daughter. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- It is relevant and you know it.
- That's why you do leave her mother's birth location (Netherlands) even though she is living in the USA for decades.
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- We give her nationality, just as we do her father. We do not give her birth city. Additionally, she is independently notable with her own Wikipedia page.
- You have violated 3RR, and in addition appear to be a sock-puppet of another account. I will be filing a 3RR report now. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:08, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Just admit Tenebrae that you're edit warring solely because of biased POV. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- What bias are you talking about? I've explained that irrelevant, detailed background about the non-notable parent of an article subject is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Please explain yourself. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- You [Tenebrae] just admitted that her mother's birth location is relevant, and then told us that her father birth location isn't. It's pretty obvious to any Wikipedia editor that your opinion is biased. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- What is the bias, specifically? --Tenebrae (talk) 20:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- You [Tenebrae] just admitted that her mother's birth location is relevant, and then told us that her father birth location isn't. It's pretty obvious to any Wikipedia editor that your opinion is biased. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- What bias are you talking about? I've explained that irrelevant, detailed background about the non-notable parent of an article subject is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Please explain yourself. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Just admit Tenebrae that you're edit warring solely because of biased POV. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Numerous sources show Hadid's father was born in 1948 in Nazareth, Israel. My suggestion is that he be referred to in this article as "Israeli-born" and not Palestinian-American. Israel became a state in 1948. "Palestine" was no longer the designation of the country by 1948. If Hadid's mother can be referred to in the article as "Dutch-born" there's no reason why her father can't be referred to as "Israeli-born". -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- He refers to himself as Palestinian, the way an Italian born in New York will refer to himself as Italian or Italian-American. And we already said that for parallel structure and to avoid confusion between ethnicity and nationality we can refer to Yolanda Foster as Dutch-American.
- Additionally, a disinterested third-party editor
an adminmade very clear that you are to stay away from me, the way I stay away from you. Your flouting that to come here is being knowingly disruptive and bullying. --Tenebrae (talk)
- She's not an administrator. Anyway, back to the subject: he refers to himself as a Palestinian but isn't. He was born in Israel. Therefore, the compromise here is to refer to him as Israeli-born OR to not refer to her mother as Dutch-born. The IP editor is correct that one without the other isn't really acceptable. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Whatever. You owe me an explanation for that comment. Hopefully you will address it there (if and when you file a report). If you do not, then I will still need an explanation. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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I have removed the disputed content regarding her parents' nationalities and ethnicity. If we can't agree on having both in the article, it seems best and like a good compromise to have neither. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:41, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- I support WV. Either fully write about both her parents' ethnicities or remove them altogether. 79.183.113.164 (talk) 00:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- That doesn't mean we rid the article entirely of anything that mentions "Palestinian". You have been edit warring and behaving disruptively to make a point. That's just not okay. Please stop. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- I have also deleted anything that mentions "Dutch". 79.183.113.164 (talk) 01:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- That doesn't mean we rid the article entirely of anything that mentions "Palestinian". You have been edit warring and behaving disruptively to make a point. That's just not okay. Please stop. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Page protection has been requested. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:11, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with 79.183.113.164's removal of ethnicity from the infobox. That parameter may be significant to some people's notability in some instances, but not to Gigi Hadad's. She's a California model and doesn't make a point of her ethnicity. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:43, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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Gigi Hadid is a Deutsch-Palestinian model. Adamjakees (talk) 13:17, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
PALESTINIAN
- False. Gigi has never lived in the Palestinian territories. Her American father was born in the Israeli city of Nazareth which makes Gigi an Israeli-Arab descendant.
- Gigi's American mother is Dutch-born, and Gigi's stepfather is Canadian.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.8.187 (talk) 11:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Gigi Hadid is an American model. Wikipedia only mentions nationality when it is integral to a person's notability. This is a California-born-and-bred model, not Yakov Smirnoff, whose comedy and notability are based on his Russian heritage.--Tenebrae (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Gigi is not Israeli, she is Palestinian. In a tweet, asking where her father is from, she responded from Palestine. Her Vogue cover features her holding the magazine of when an Israeli moden was on it to make some political statement between Israeli and Palestinian relations. She is Palestinian. SOURCE: https://twitter.com/GiGiHadid/status/294103955867312128 68.118.202.114 (talk) 19:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- Regardless, that has no bearing on what she's notable for. See WP:NATIONALITY and comments above. And in point of fact, cultural heritage and nationality are two different things. Her father is Palestinian culturally, born in Israel nationally, and none of that has any bearing on Gigi Hadad's notability as a California born-and-bred model. We don't giver her mother's nationality, either.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- I never wrote '...a Palestinian-American model' or '...Dutch-American model' or anything along those lines anywhere in the page. I wrote that her dad is a 'Palestinian real estate...' and her mom is a 'Dutch...' I don't see the problem in adding that? Other pages include what their parents' ethnicity are in a subtle way just like here. Or alternatively, we could write she is of Dutch and Palestinian ancestry, like other pages. How's that? 68.118.202.114 (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Regardless, that has no bearing on what she's notable for. See WP:NATIONALITY and comments above. And in point of fact, cultural heritage and nationality are two different things. Her father is Palestinian culturally, born in Israel nationally, and none of that has any bearing on Gigi Hadad's notability as a California born-and-bred model. We don't giver her mother's nationality, either.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- Gigi Hadid is an American model. Wikipedia only mentions nationality when it is integral to a person's notability. This is a California-born-and-bred model, not Yakov Smirnoff, whose comedy and notability are based on his Russian heritage.--Tenebrae (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Her nationality has nothing to do with her notability. She's not like Russian-American comedian Yakov Smirnoff, where his ethnicity is part of his notability. And the back-and-forth edit-warring between nationalists on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian issue both claiming they're correct (like below) was making the article volatile and unstable. In contentious, controversial cases like that, where it's not critical to notability, we leave it out. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Gigi Hadid's father was born in Nazareth, Israel
Cited sources approving her father was born in Nazareth, Israel:
1. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155013#.VdDqZ5eZCf5
2. http://ethnicelebs.com/Gigi-Hadid
According to Wikipedia, and the UN, Nazareth is a legitimate Israeli city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.8.187 (talk) 11:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- See my comment above. And please stop treating Wikipedia as a soapbox. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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Gigi also became the face of top UK highstreet fashion brand Topshop for their Autumn/Winter 2015 campaign. 143.117.17.184 (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
She has no functioning official website as indicated by the referenced links, not even a google search of varations on that link brought up anything204.210.138.50 (talk) 04:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
- I've added the archive link for the sake of posterity. Note that I tried 2015-dated archives, and this February 2014 archive was the first I found with a working link to her IMG portfolio. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Keep an eye on an article title
It was subtle and went unnoticed since 21:36, 6 October 2015, but an anon IP who hasn't returned since being blocked for a week on October 7 truncated / censored the verbatim, actual title of an article for evidently his own political POV. The AnnaMarie Houlis article cited in the references is titled Gigi Hadid Opens Our Eyes to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Anon IPs have vandalized the references by removing "to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict". We've had to protect this article more than once from anon IP vandals doing this. If they come back again to try to truncate/censor a verbatim title, perhaps we'd need to ask for very longterm protection. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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Gigi Hadid starred in Zayn Malik's Pillowtalk music video.
210.187.217.57 (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
PILLOW TALK
please add in the career section that gigi features in the music video for the british singer zayn's single, pillow talk. pillow talk was released on 29 jan. source: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/zayn-malik-pillowtalk-music-video-watch-one-direction-gigi-hadid-sex-flowers-a6841051.html --86.4.37.106 (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Protection tag
Can we add the {{pp-protected}} tag so people can see this article is semi-protected? 92.4.96.96 (talk) 14:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Possible pictures
These are some possible pictures
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/135504457@N06/26718608522 Listed as public domain
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/evarinaldiphotography/20348114811 Listed as some rights reserved
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Guess_store_in_Sydney.jpg Possibly crop the section with her in it
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/disneyabc/22832549377 Some rights reserved
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/disneyabc/14022707611 Some rights reserved
- Please add if possible 92.4.96.96 (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Can we please add
- through whom she claims descent from Daher Al Omer, Prince of Nazareth and the Sheik of Galilee.[1]
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- through whom she claims descent from [[Zahir al-Umar|Daher Al Omer]], Prince of Nazareth and the Sheik of Galilee.<ref name="Instagram BGCeKtcFKTE 30 May 2016">{{cite web|author1=Mohamed Hadid|authorlink1=Mohamed Hadid|url=https://www.instagram.com/p/BGCeKtcFKTE/|title=Missing my mother today. God bless you Khair Fahoum Daher Hadid my Princesses of Nazareth the great grand daughter of the great ruler ..Prince of Nazareth and the Sheik of Galilee.. Daher Al Omer ...|publisher=[[Instagram]]|accessdate=16 June 2016|language=English|date=30 May 2016}}</ref>
after where it says her father's name in the Early Life section please? 62.64.152.154 (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
- Exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing. Anyone can claim to be descended from royalty. This has to be supported by reliable secondary sources. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 08:37, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I have come with better sources.
- http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1989/07/31/72291/index.htm
- http://digital.modernluxury.com/article/The+Radar+People/453793/0/article.html
62.64.152.154 (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{edit semi-protected}}
template. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 08:20, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
"Partner" parameter in infobox
The partner parameter at Template:Infobox model is not for dating couples but for unmarried spousal equivalents. As the documentation has it
- spouse = marriage | name | start | end
- partner = unmarried life partner; use Name (1950–present)
--Tenebrae (talk) 22:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
The subject of this article
... has clearly indicated a desire to connect with here Arabic roots as refs such as [7], [8], [9], and many other sources indicate. 92.19.180.85 (talk) 10:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Gossip mongering
With this diff a veteran editor Hullaballoo Wolfowitz deleted the relationships and dating history of Gigi as it was "gossipmongering". I think these are legitimate and noteworthy relationships that should be included, and so I have reverted the edit. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:58, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- You are editing against consensus. It is well-established that Wikipedia BLPs are not repositories for catalogs of gossip about celebrity "relationships", hookup histories drawn from "celebrity journalism" sources, and similar content absent a showing of significance with regard to the article subject's genuinely notable activities. As Jimbo Wales said in a related debate, wikipedia should not "chronicle every single twist and turn of celebrity romances".]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_86#BLP_gossip] You also reinstated an obvious BLP violation with regard to the claims regarding Zayn Malik; a report of a single date in 2015 cannot possibly sustain the assertion of a more-than-year-long "relationship". The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 16:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- So is your problem with the fact that the relationships of the celebrity are mentioned or the number or quality of the sources? These problems have different solutions. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:21, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- The significance of the reported relationships isn't established, and the supposedly current one isn't supported, as written, by the cited source. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- What do you mean
The significance of the reported relationships isn't established
? The relationship is what is significant. The current one is supported by the source as it literally states that they are dating. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:34, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- What do you mean
- The significance of the reported relationships isn't established, and the supposedly current one isn't supported, as written, by the cited source. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- So is your problem with the fact that the relationships of the celebrity are mentioned or the number or quality of the sources? These problems have different solutions. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:21, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- I would say that in cases where the involved parties themselves state that a relationship occurred, that this by definition is not gossip-mongering. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
- Looking through it, Hadid's representative personally confirmed the relationship with Cody Simpson, though not the dates or other specifics. So that, too, is fact and not gossip-mongering.
- The Jonas quote to the Daily Mirror (not Mail Online) is actually vague — he talks about an unnamed woman "moving on", but that could be taken out of context and doesn't confirm anything.
- The Malik cite also is from "unnamed sources" and is, indeed, gossip-mongering. I'm going to restore a trimmed version of the Simpson information, but the two purported relationships do need better citing if they're going to be used. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Missing Content
Great article, although there seems to be some career content missing as well as personal information missing. For example, Hadid hosted the American Music Awards in 2016. Her relationship with Zayn Malik from One Direction is also missing. All of your references seem to be very legitimate, which is difficult to do for a celebrity as well known as Hadid. Again, I would recommend adding additional content about her personal life. Amandapg (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Her hosting the award show is already mentioned in the article. And about her relationship with Malik, you may add that if you find a RELIABLE source. Mymis (talk) 10:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Relationship with Malik
I think her relationship with English singer Zayn Malik is notable, as they have been dating since 2 years ago, appeared together on the cover of Vogue, and done a Versus (Versace) campaign as a couple, thus it surprises me that there's no mention of him on this article. There are enough reliable sources available for adding a few sentences to the section "Personal life". I just wanted to discuss it first to make sure that no one opposes this change. Keivan.fTalk 19:47, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- You might want to look at #Gossip mongering which was from the beginning of this year. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
They’ve broken up now but I think it should be mentioned in the personal life section, it’s notable and not just a short fling Emily (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
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Please add Partner(s): Zayn Malik (2015–2018) in infobox bio, as it seemingly fulfills the criteria for Partners "If particularly relevant, or if the partner is notable; 'partner' here means unmarried life partners (of any gender or sexual preference)." to match the information on Zayn's page. Thank you. Etasheta (talk) 21:40, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 17:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, but the relationship and its time span is reliably sourced in her personal life section [1]. I requested a change on Zayn's page as well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zayn_Malik), to have non-spousal partners removed and was informed that because the relationship was well sourced, both were notable and sourced reliably in the Personal Life section, therefore she should be listed as a Partner in Zayn Malik's infobox, which seems reasonable to me. For consistency therefore, using the same sources in her personal life section, Zayn should also be listed as a partner in Gigi's bio. Thank you. Etasheta (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. –Davey2010Talk 11:19, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Please add Partner:Zayn Malik (2015-2018) in infobox.
Reliable sources:
http://www.vogue.com/article/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-vogue-august-2017-cover-celebrity-style
https://www.eonline.com/news/920411/gigi-hadid-and-zayn-malik-break-up-after-2-years-of-dating
https://pagesix.com/2018/06/06/gigi-hadid-confirms-zayn-malik-reunion-on-social-media/
https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a25736671/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-second-breakup/
Etasheta (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Done Using the vogue and elle sources as the others are concidered unreliable. --Trialpears (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Gigi is Muslim
According to this article: http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/gigi-hadid-muslim-140985 . Not only she celebrates some Muslim holidays but also her sister Bella claims that their father Mohamed "He was always religious, and he always prayed with us," meaning her and her sister, and then she said "I am proud to be a Muslim.". Should be mentioned on Gigi's Wiki in some way. Cheers. 79.180.111.69 (talk) 10:56, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
- Religion of Muslim cebs is not included, only Jewish people can over identify on Wikipedia. --169.0.4.22 (talk) 14:45, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- The above comment is absurd and is bordering on islamophobic.Candy bling1 (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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Gigi Hadid is Muslim (under personal life). Reference: https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a32683477/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-muslim-power-couple/ 49.193.150.249 (talk) 05:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
"On-again, off-again"
While the sources linked in the "Personal life" section do describe Hadid and Malik's relationship as on-again, off-again, is this still encyclopedically relevant/correct to state in the article, as they are presumably in a long-term relationship and have a child together?--Bettydaisies (talk) 05:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2021
I want to add Gigi Hadid's child's name. They called to the child Khai. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.116.57.53 (talk) 09:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Gigi Hadid is a Palestinian American model Yara800 (talk) 19:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Seagull123 Φ 23:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the Relationship section of the article (4.1) In September 2020, Hadid gave birth to their daughter, change it into In September 2020, Hadid gave birth to their daughter named Khai,. Citations are https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/gigi-hadid-baby-name-khai-b900723.html and https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a34141707/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-baby-girl-name-khai/ Jebanykk (talk) 20:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Done. Volteer1 (talk) 20:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- @ Jebanykk @ Volteer1 I don’t agree that their child should be named, per WP:BLPNAME and general Wikipedia precedent to not name children who aren’t notable in their own right.--Bettydaisies (talk) 23:10, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Bettydaisies: You're correct, I think. I've reverted that edit. Volteer1 (talk) 04:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Gigi Hadid Friend
Gigi Hadid is mostly known for being best friends with Kendall Jenner Gigileblanc (talk) 15:32, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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77.91.132.40 (talk) 13:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
her father is mohammad hadid and he's from palestine
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Relacion
Zayn no es su socio es su pareja Salomebulfon (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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Relatives edit
Gigi's brother is Anwar Hadid - currently Bella is listed as her only sibling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boylecolin212 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
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For the Gigi Hadid Wikipedia page, the top lines only read that she is an American model. It should be clarified that she is an American born Palestinian. 76.78.51.139 (talk) 01:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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Gigi
Gigi 49.204.221.65 (talk) 03:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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Misinformation
There is a comment stating that Chronic Lyme Disease is “ Pseudoscience. “ this is incorrect, invalidating to the thousands of suffering patients similar to long Covid. It’s a real science and a real disease that hasn’t had the money for research to be learned more about and taught to doctors. Many bacteria are know scientifically to for biofilms and dormant phases to evade the bodies immune system along with the immune systems inflammatory reaction to antibodies causing a Myriad of symptoms. Gigis own mother had this and would likely be hurt reading her page. I am a physician assistant and have also suffered this disease. It’s real not “pseudo” so in the very least cut that part out to not sound so jerky and condescending and stop spreading misinformation. There are 100s of tick and borrilea species we can’t even test for and patients are told it’s all in their head wJen really we need to get our heads out of our asses and listen to our suffering patients. Miche2266 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- As it turns out, the underlying reference to “chronic Lyme” was an unreliable source so I have removed that portion and updated the fundraiser citation to a reliable source. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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2603:9001:8500:8515:C525:A2C3:6962:10EC (talk) 23:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
She has a brother called Anwar Hadid. Same parents.
Supermodel status
Gigi Hadid is known as a model in the american google.I would like to suggest to use the supermodel status with her because it would be more correct. It is written: Gigi Hadid is an American Model and I would suggest: Gigi Hadid is an American Supermodel because it would be more correct.Also her weight and height should be updated because she is a model.Thanks for the time Maria1718182 (talk) 20:44, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Vogue
she has made over 40 vogue covers Maria1718182 (talk) 20:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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Jelena Noura "Gigi" Hadid (/ˈdʒiːdʒiː/ JEE-jee; born April 23, 1995) is an American supermodel and television personality. Maria1718182 (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Gigi Hadid's relatives
is there any wiki page for Gigi's other relatives? Maria1718182 (talk) 21:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
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Must add information on her current stand on Israel and Gaza. She has made clear anti semetic remarks against Jews and Israel. 24.15.64.200 (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Criticism section
As there are multiple topics either missing from or dispersed in the article(racism, antisemitism, legal issues), I would like to collect them within one point. Is there an argument against that? FortunateSons (talk) 15:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Suggested edits are generally available in either English or another language, so this is mostly quality improvement and translation, not entirely new content. FortunateSons (talk) 15:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Please read WP:CSECTION. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, I would like to correct my request: the creation of controversy-sections (racism, antisemitism) as outlined in the article. Is one or two preferable due to the similarities and differences of the incident? FortunateSons (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- As CSECTION advises,
"Sections or article titles should generally not include the word 'controversies'."
Instead negative material should appear in the entry where it is relevant; generally attempts to focus all negative material in one section are at odds with the requirement for neutral point of view. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)- So one section on racism and one section on antisemitism? Should I stick with the format mentioned in the Article? or is another method preferable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Possibly but only if there is so much reliably sourced material on those topics that it is of equal significance to other section headers in this entry like career and activism. (That seems very unlikely to me.) Depending on the available sources, perhaps a subsection or simply an addition without a header—if these claims can be reliably sourced at all. At this point I would suggest you use Template:Edit semi-protected to propose the changes you want and receive feedback on the specifics, rather than continue to discuss in hypotheticals. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Also please note that WP:BLP policy applies to talk pages as well as mainspace. You need to provide reliable sources for the allegations you’re making or they will be reverted. Innisfree987 (talk) 07:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Is there something specific that should be added to my semi-protected edit? FortunateSons (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- I will, thank you! FortunateSons (talk) 08:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Also please note that WP:BLP policy applies to talk pages as well as mainspace. You need to provide reliable sources for the allegations you’re making or they will be reverted. Innisfree987 (talk) 07:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Possibly but only if there is so much reliably sourced material on those topics that it is of equal significance to other section headers in this entry like career and activism. (That seems very unlikely to me.) Depending on the available sources, perhaps a subsection or simply an addition without a header—if these claims can be reliably sourced at all. At this point I would suggest you use Template:Edit semi-protected to propose the changes you want and receive feedback on the specifics, rather than continue to discuss in hypotheticals. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- So one section on racism and one section on antisemitism? Should I stick with the format mentioned in the Article? or is another method preferable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- As CSECTION advises,
- Thank you very much, I would like to correct my request: the creation of controversy-sections (racism, antisemitism) as outlined in the article. Is one or two preferable due to the similarities and differences of the incident? FortunateSons (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Antisemitism section as discussed in criticism thread
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Antisemitism
Gigi Hadid has been repeatedly accused of spreading anti-Semitic content, especially on social media.[1][2]
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, she compared the situation of the Ukrainian population with that of Palestinians and was subsequently criticized in the Israeli media. [3]
A post published on its Instagram on October 15, 2023, which described the Israeli government's behaviour as "nothing Jewish", was criticised by the government for its lack of solidarity with the Israeli civilians injured and killed in the Hamas attack; her refusal to condemn Hamas was also criticised . The Israeli government responded directly to Hadid's statement. Alongside a screenshot of Hadid's posting, the government's official account said: "There is nothing heroic about Hamas's massacre of Israelis."[4][5]
She was also accused of spreading misinformation about the Palestinian prisoners which were released in exchange for the release of Israeli and international hostages taken by Hamas in the attack on 10.07.2023.[6][7]
- ^ [url= https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/11/27/model-gigi-hadid-falsely-says-israel-guilty-organ-harvesting-abduction-rape-torture/ | title=Model Gigi Hadid Falsely Says Israel Guilty of Organ Harvesting After Accusing Jewish State of ‘Abduction, Rape, Torture’ |author= Shiryn Ghermezian |date= 11.27.2023 |access-date=11.27.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.vogue.com/article/bella-hadid-cover-april-2022 | title= |author= |date= |access-date= ]
- ^ Fighting Gigi and Bella Hadid's antisemitic blood libels - opinion (25. November 2023)
- ^ Israeli Government SLAMS Gigi Hadid For Sharing Antisemitic Meme (25. November 2023)
- ^ "Gigi Hadid erhält Morddrohungen nach Statement zu Palästina", FAZ.NET, 2023-10-20, ISSN 0174-4909, retrieved 2023-11-25
- ^ [url=https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1701006165-gigi-hadid-falsely-claims-israel-only-country-to-hold-youth-as-prisoners-of-war%7C title=Gigi Hadid falsely claims Israel 'only country' to hold youth as prisoners of war|date= 11.26.2023|access-date= 11.30.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/trending-news/story/gigi-hadid-writes-israel-keeps-children-as-prisoners-of-war-faces-backlash-2468366-2023-11-28 | title=Gigi Hadid writes ‘Israel keeps children as prisoners of war’, faces backlash |author= Thiasa Bhowal|date= 11.28.2023|access-date=11.30.2023 ]
FortunateSons (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- If something is either missing or not appropriately contextualised/ lacking a source, I would greatly appreciate the feedback. Also, there is something wrong with the footnote for source 1 and 5, did I make a mistake with the formatting? FortunateSons (talk) 12:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- I just saw a comment on the other thread restricting the use of the daily mail, so here are two alternative sources for the fifth footnote:
- https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1701006165-gigi-hadid-falsely-claims-israel-only-country-to-hold-youth-as-prisoners-of-war
- https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/trending-news/story/gigi-hadid-writes-israel-keeps-children-as-prisoners-of-war-faces-backlash-2468366-2023-11-28
- also, I found two more sources for the first footnote if the statement is too broad to be supported by one source:
- https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/others/gigi-hadid-sparks-outrage-after-sharing-post-accusing-israel-of-organ-harvesting-101701089938548-amp.html
- https://www.thedailystar.net/entertainment/tv-film/news/gigi-hadid-faces-backlash-alleging-israels-involvement-organ-harvesting-3480926?amp FortunateSons (talk) 12:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. This is a particularly contentious subsection proposal, with what is in my opinion sparse and questionable sourcing, including an opinion piece, the now-deprecated Daily Star, and little in the way of balance. It may also contain potential POV issues ("It is also not anti-Palestinian to condemn Hamas"). -- Pinchme123 (talk) 06:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)- The use of a semi-protected edit was requested in the other thread. I am pretty new at this, did I break a rule?
- I fixed the POV and Daily Mail issue, thank you.
- Would it be possible to specify what the exact issue with the section sourced with an opinion piece is (the section itself or the source)?
- Regarding balance or other missing sources, I’m happy to add anything specific, what do you feel is missing? FortunateSons (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- Before I saw this discussion, I left some comments on your talk page that might be of help.
- Given the very high bar that WP:BLP and WP:AC/CT require here, we need to tread extremely carefully. After you are certain that all references meet the quality requirements of BLP, rewrite the proposal from those references. I suggest the additional step of asking for a review of the new proposal at WP:BLPN. --Hipal (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, I greatly appreciate your help! FortunateSons (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 17:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, explained specifically what and where an edit should be made.
- Sources are included in the text and were improved as suggested by another editor. FortunateSons (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've reverted your changes to the initial request [10]. Please make a new request. Editing past comments like that is not appropriate. I also suggest you spend more time finding better references, because there appears to be little difference overall. --Hipal (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was not aware that it was standard practice not to edit an edit request to improve it, and will renew the request.
- Regarding references: English is not my first language, could you explain what makes the references used have “little difference overall”? They are from different countries, with different political leanings and funding, and generally referencing the specific event in a factual manner. FortunateSons (talk) 18:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Carefully read WP:BLP to start. If you don't understand what BLP-quality references are, I think you'll find this frustrating, likely futile. --Hipal (talk) 19:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have read WP:BLP, and believe to have corrected the use of any “bad” references in my newer version (which you rightly removed, but is still visible in the edit history).
- If I missed one or multiple, I am happy to modify those as well, and would like to do so before creating a new edit request.
- If it isn’t too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate you pointing out the exact issue with any specific reference, so I can correct them? FortunateSons (talk) 20:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I strongly suggest you work on something else entirely. This edit request has been answered. --Hipal (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Carefully read WP:BLP to start. If you don't understand what BLP-quality references are, I think you'll find this frustrating, likely futile. --Hipal (talk) 19:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've reverted your changes to the initial request [10]. Please make a new request. Editing past comments like that is not appropriate. I also suggest you spend more time finding better references, because there appears to be little difference overall. --Hipal (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Insert a section called “Accusations of antisemitism” either before or after “personal life”
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The inclusion of a section was discussed in the criticism thread (outcome: change of title, request of use of an semi-protected template) and improved (outcome: better sourcing, NPOV) in the “Antisemitism Section” Thread. I am able to make changes myself, but am looking for confirmation that the sources not specifically included (and therefore hopefully appropriately used) in the WP:RSP are appropriate. Suggestions on placement (and any specific improvements) are as always greatly appreciated!
Actual Text:
Antisemitism
Gigi Hadid has been repeatedly criticised for her statements regarding the conflict between Israel and Palestine, including accusations of antisemitism.[1][2]
In 2021, Gigi Hadid was accused of „vilifying the Jewish state“ (in reference to Israel) in a controversial full-page New York Times Advertisement.[3] The ad was criticised as inaccurate, including by Singer Dua Lipa, who was also featured.[4]
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, she compared the situation of the Ukrainian population with that of Palestinians and was subsequently criticised in the Israeli media.[5]
A post published on its Instagram on October 15, 2023, which described the Israeli government's behaviour as "nothing Jewish", was criticised by the government for its lack of solidarity with the Israeli civilians injured and killed in the Hamas attack; her refusal to condemn Hamas was also criticised . The Israeli government responded directly to Hadid's statement. Alongside a screenshot of Hadid's posting, the government's official account said: "There is nothing heroic about Hamas's massacre of Israelis."[6][7][8]
She was also accused of spreading misinformation about the Israeli treatment of Palestinian prisoners in the aftermath the Hamas terror attack on 10.07.2023. She later retracted the statement and apologised on Instagram about spreading inaccurate information. [9][10][11]
Others, such as an article in theRolling Stone, have been critical of the conflation between Hadids’ criticism of Israel and antisemitism, characterising the responses as an overreaction.[12] FortunateSons (talk) 22:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ [url= https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/11/27/model-gigi-hadid-falsely-says-israel-guilty-organ-harvesting-abduction-rape-torture/ | title=Model Gigi Hadid Falsely Says Israel Guilty of Organ Harvesting After Accusing Jewish State of ‘Abduction, Rape, Torture’ |author= Shiryn Ghermezian |date= 11.27.2023 |access-date=11.27.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.vanityfair.fr/article/gigi-hadid-critiquee-par-le-gouvernement-israelien-pour-avoir-affiche-son-soutien-a-la-palestine%7C title=Gigi Hadid critiquée par le gouvernement israélien pour avoir affiché son soutien à la Palestine |author=Pascale Perrier |date=10.17.23 |access-date=12.08.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/singer-dua-lipa-slams-ugly-campaign-criticizing-her-for-pro-palestinian-stance/ | title= Singer Dua Lipa slams ‘ugly campaign’ criticizing her for pro-Palestinian stance|date=03.23.2021|access-date=12.06.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.arabnews.com/node/1863201/media | title=The New York Times slammed for full-page ad condemning pro-Palestinian celebrity models for their views |date=03.23.2021 |access-date=12.06.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-701053%7C title=Supermodel Gigi Hadid pledges aid to 'Ukrainians and Palestinians' |date=03.12.2022 |access-date=12.08.2023) ]
- ^ Israeli Government SLAMS Gigi Hadid For Sharing Antisemitic Meme (25. November 2023)
- ^ "Gigi Hadid erhält Morddrohungen nach Statement zu Palästina", FAZ.NET, 2023-10-20, ISSN 0174-4909, retrieved 2023-11-25
- ^ [url=https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gigi-hadid-palestine-israel-post-b2431315.html | title=Gigi Hadid posts in support of Palestinians, as Israeli government addresses her directly |author=Meredith Clark|date=10.18.2023 |access-date=12.06.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1701006165-gigi-hadid-falsely-claims-israel-only-country-to-hold-youth-as-prisoners-of-war%7C title=Gigi Hadid falsely claims Israel 'only country' to hold youth as prisoners of war|date= 11.26.2023|access-date= 11.30.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/trending-news/story/gigi-hadid-writes-israel-keeps-children-as-prisoners-of-war-faces-backlash-2468366-2023-11-28 | title=Gigi Hadid writes ‘Israel keeps children as prisoners of war’, faces backlash |author= Thiasa Bhowal|date= 11.28.2023|access-date=11.30.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-29/ty-article/supermodel-gigi-hadid-apologizes-for-claiming-israel-abducts-and-rapes-palestinians/0000018c-1a26-d5be-af9f-3abf5be90000 | title= ‘I Did Not Fact-check’ | Supermodel Gigi Hadid Apologizes for Claiming Israel Abducts and Rapes Palestinians|date=11.29.2023|access-date=12.06.2023 ]
- ^ [url=https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/israeli-government-responds-to-gigi-hadid-pro-palestine-instagram-post-1234855024/amp/%7C title=Israeli Government Blasts Gigi Hadid’s Extremely Mild Pro-Palestine Post |author=Larisha Paul |date=10.16.2023 |access-date=12.08.2023 ]
- No. Gross violations of BLP and UNDUE. NOTNEWS vio as well. Note that the better a reference is (The Independent), the less it supports such a narrative. --Hipal (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. WP:NPOV means accurately reflecting the representation given in sources cited. Further WP:NOTNEWS is indeed a serious problem here. I have to agree with @Hipal that less sensitive areas are a better place to start out editing and learn Wikipedia policies. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- I am happy to correct weighting and NPOV (as you correctly stated, I am new here). Would a subsection in personal life improve the weighting issue? If so, how much should my original proposal be shortened to more accurately reflect the issue?
- Regarding NOTNEWS, I would like to respectfully disagree: with over 20 news articles (over multiple years), including at least 12 from reputable sources, and the associated public discussion of the topic, it is more significant than the routine or gossip desciribed in NOTNEWS. FortunateSons (talk) 18:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- On second thought, I would like to follow Hipal’s suggestion and post it on WP:BLPN for improvement, just to not overburden this talk page. Should I improve something specific (the issue regarding references seems to be fixed?) before I do? FortunateSons (talk) 18:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- If the topic focuses on social media posts, as this does, it's not only NOTNEWS, but WP:SOAP tending toward WP:NOTSCANDAL.
- As I said, the narrative is skewed away from the better sources. She's a high profile figure that gets name-dropped for the attention.
- BLPN would be helpful in getting the article cleaned up, as I see a lot of content that's questionable, only getting press because of who she is. --Hipal (talk) 18:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree about the assessment on SOAP/NOTSCANDAL, but as I wrote it, a neutral party is probably better, even though a do not have a COI in the traditional sense.
- Your position regarding the cause of the attention certainly has merit, but would also apply to significant parts of many other articles, as is the nature of a public figure with a large following. After all, there is a reason why the degree of publicity is often considered when weighing privacy and transparency.
- I will report back once I (hopefully) receive feedback. FortunateSons (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- This appears to be a section founded not in the subjects views and statements, but in the fact that others have criticized her. This is not a balanced statement. Giving weight to a Shmuley Boteach paid smear in the Times because you have an article that mentions the subject in passing in discussing the ad is not WP:DUE. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- I am happy to add more details on the views of the subjects, where should more details be added?
- Regarding the Times Ad, would you suggest rephrasing or removing the section? FortunateSons (talk) 19:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- This appears to be a section founded not in the subjects views and statements, but in the fact that others have criticized her. This is not a balanced statement. Giving weight to a Shmuley Boteach paid smear in the Times because you have an article that mentions the subject in passing in discussing the ad is not WP:DUE. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Was there anything that should be corrected about my BLPN, or is this appropriate? FortunateSons (talk) 19:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- This particular discussion falls within the Israel Palestine topic area ("broadly construed") and as a non extended confirmed editor, you may not participate in such discussions, except that you may make straightforward edit requests, per WP:ARBECR. Selfstudier (talk) 19:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. WP:NPOV means accurately reflecting the representation given in sources cited. Further WP:NOTNEWS is indeed a serious problem here. I have to agree with @Hipal that less sensitive areas are a better place to start out editing and learn Wikipedia policies. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
BLP noticeboard
{{BLP noticeboard}} FortunateSons (talk) 19:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- The discussion was closed per WP:ARBECR. --Hipal (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Question regarding source formatting
I am having a bit of an issue with formatting the sourcing on 139 and 140 (the two new sources in the racism section), could someone tell me what went wrong? FortunateSons (talk) 19:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- I figured it out, but would appreciate someone taking a quick look FortunateSons (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
Is Grazia a reliable source for this?
It is just adding minor context and the publication appears to be generally reliable, but is it a reliable source? FortunateSons (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- The reference was inappropriate and has been removed. --Hipal (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Could you elaborate on that? The source is from a non-disparaged newspaper and is only used to reference facts which are apparent (i.e. from a photo). FortunateSons (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
New racism section, is anything inaccurate or missing
It is mostly compiling from the German wiki and other parts of the article, but I would appreciate a quick review whether something is wrong, missing or poorly phrased? FortunateSons (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- Grossly inappropriate per the previous discussions and policies identified in them. --Hipal (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Would you like me to rewrite something specific? The incidents do exist and are covered to the degree specified within WP:BLP FortunateSons (talk) 20:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- And just to clarify, the issue that ended the last discussion was the fact that the topic was covered by WP:ARBECR or primarily affecting social media posts. Do you believe this to be case here? FortunateSons (talk) 20:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I find it extremely concerning that you summarize the previous discussions in such a manner. Best focus on content policy. --Hipal (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The Noticeboard was removed due to policy, and a primary argument by you was NOTNEWS/SCANDAL/SOAPBOX based on the fact that the focus was social media post, to quote you on 18:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC):
- If the topic focuses on social media posts, as this does, it's not only NOTNEWS, but WP:SOAP tending toward WP:NOTSCANDAL. As I said, the narrative is skewed away from the better sources. She's a high profile figure that gets name-dropped for the attention. BLPN would be helpful in getting the article cleaned up, as I see a lot of content that's questionable, only getting press because of who she is. FortunateSons (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Most other debates with other people hat a (in my opinion, partially justified and partially unjustified) focus on the sources and NPOV, something that is less of an issue based on the fact that I mostly used CNN, FAZ and ABC here and am willing to work on phrasing regarding tone. FortunateSons (talk) 21:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't a debate. I'm unclear if you understand any of the policies that have been brought up. We're not going to come to the required consensus if that problem remains. --Hipal (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I do have a language barrier (C1, but still), so that is a possibility. Could you explain what the specific issue with my edit is? Do you agree that ABC, CNN and FAZ are generally reliable? FortunateSons (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry. This is not a venue to assist editors who have language difficulties. --Hipal (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t think it is a language difficulty per se, I wrote exams in that language and got pretty good results. If you think I don’t understand the policy (which is possible), I would appreciate you explaining where the specific issue is instead of broadly gesturing towards a policy. FortunateSons (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry. This is not a venue to assist editors who have language difficulties. --Hipal (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I do have a language barrier (C1, but still), so that is a possibility. Could you explain what the specific issue with my edit is? Do you agree that ABC, CNN and FAZ are generally reliable? FortunateSons (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't a debate. I'm unclear if you understand any of the policies that have been brought up. We're not going to come to the required consensus if that problem remains. --Hipal (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I find it extremely concerning that you summarize the previous discussions in such a manner. Best focus on content policy. --Hipal (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Request: include the vogue italia photoshoot on the wiki page
Topic:
Hadid appears on a vogue italia cover with very tanned skin. She is accused of using Blackface. She apologizes and explains that she did not have control over the shoot. The issue received relatively widespread media attention, both conventional and on social media.
Sourcing: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-apology-steven-klein-twitter-instagram-a8335856.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/entertainment/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface/index.html https://www.insider.com/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-accusations-2018-5?amp
More (in German) https://newsv2.orf.at/stories/2436733/ https://www.rnd.de/panorama/gigi-hadid-entschuldigt-sich-fur-vogue-cover-J5COJ4A7GGAGFDQUBZHV4ZRCPE.html?outputType=valid_amp FortunateSons (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Optional: also include the first controversy with the same publication.
- Issue: received significantly less media attention, so sourcing is lower quality.
- Source:
- Last Lines in https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-05/gigi-hadid-and-vogue-italia-apologize-for-darkened-skin-tone/9731122 and https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-apology-steven-klein-twitter-instagram-a8335856.html, one paragraph in https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/04/entertainment/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface/index.html FortunateSons (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like clear NOTNEWS. It was out of her control.
- In the future, it's helpful to provide basic reference information, especially publication dates. --Hipal (talk) 01:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn’t know that this was common practice; these articles are from 2018, the first incident was in 2015.
- Could you explain how it is WP:NOTNEWS? While it was not directly within her control, it was (to my understanding) the second instance with this publication and typical of the artist. She also apologised, which is not generally something that indicates irrelevance. FortunateSons (talk) 02:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:IDHT. --Hipal (talk) 02:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that this is your view, and appreciate your candor. Is there a more appropriate forum for this question, or would using something like BLPN be inappropriate? FortunateSons (talk) 02:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Until you can demonstrate a basic understanding of relevant content policies, it's likely to be a waste of time for all involved while putting you in an increasingly bad light. --Hipal (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, I’m happy to re-read the relevant policies before making a request on BLPN. Do you feel like I lack understanding of anything except WP:NOTNEWS? FortunateSons (talk) 17:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've already discussed this on your talk page. --Hipal (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Could you direct me to towards which of your comments answers this question? Or are you referring to “ I'm not sure I can help you, and don't feel it would be worth my time given the problems I've already identified. ” FortunateSons (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've already discussed this on your talk page. --Hipal (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, I’m happy to re-read the relevant policies before making a request on BLPN. Do you feel like I lack understanding of anything except WP:NOTNEWS? FortunateSons (talk) 17:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Until you can demonstrate a basic understanding of relevant content policies, it's likely to be a waste of time for all involved while putting you in an increasingly bad light. --Hipal (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that this is your view, and appreciate your candor. Is there a more appropriate forum for this question, or would using something like BLPN be inappropriate? FortunateSons (talk) 02:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:IDHT. --Hipal (talk) 02:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)