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Plastic Beach Adventure Game

I deleted the last paragraph from the Phase Three: Escape to Plastic Beach, because of two things:

1- There was erroneus information, declaring that the game started in mid-november, when it was really in march. 2- The development of the game has been halted according to one of the persons in Zombie Flesh Eaters, probably beacuse of the lack of hits the website had. They were considering to do a re-evaluation by January 2011 and a big chance that the website will be starting from scratch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.221.7.72 (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The Fall

This is The Gorillaz Album That co creator, Damon Albarn recorded on the rode while on tour in the US. On December 8th, 2010 Damon Albarn confirmed via an interview that the Gorillaz album recorded on the American leg of the Escape to Plastic Beach tour will be released to download for free from the Gorillaz website on Christmas Day, December 25th 2010."[52] On December 15th, 2010, it was reported via Pitchfork.com that the new album would be titled The Fall as it was recorded on their American tour in October 

maybe we should make a new page for the upcoming album? this is just a general dea of mayeb what it should consist of for now.

Why is the Fall not presented as their fourth album? Someone put it on the compilations section in the discography page... Despite been made mostly on an iPad, it's not a live album nor a compilation. It's a studio album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.27.140.155 (talk) 08:08, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Genre

Sorry to bring up the horrid topic of Gorillaz' genre, but I think it certainly should not be labeled JUST alternative hip-hop. True, Gorillaz do have some alternative hip-hop songs, I think most people can agree their music is generally Alternative rock, Experimental rock, or indie rock. I have tried several times before to add a six or seven genres (with alternative hip-hop included, mind you) but it always get's taken down. can we please finally have a general consensus on the generes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.58.104 (talk) 21:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

The infobox is definitely not for listing six or seven genres, so it's not a mystery why the edits were reverted. The infobox genre is to describe the music in the best way possible with as few words as possible. It's generalizing. Alternative rock, Experimental rock, or indie rock, don't really apply to the majority of their work as a whole. I also strongly disagree that their music counts as experimental rock. To my knowledge, there has already been consensus among users that leaving it to "Alternative hip-hop" is the best decision. Adding more genres is only going to invite more people to come and change the genre to whatever they want. Friginator (talk) 03:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't mean to be rude, but have you ever listened to any of Gorillaz non-single material? I would list the songs that are alternative hip-hop and the ones that aren't, but I'd really rather not spend all night trying to explain this. see the conversation about The Fall's genre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Fall_(Gorillaz_album) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.58.104 (talk) 06:51, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
You realize that it doesn't have to have rap in it to be "Alternative hip-hop", right? It doesn't even have to have lyrics to be alternative hip-hop. You also seem to be under the impression that anyone who says that hasn't listened to their material. Friginator (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand how songs like Dracula, 19-2000, Rhinestone Eyes, Broken, Punk, M1 A1, Slow Country and 3/4ths of Gorillaz material are considered alternative hip-hop... cause they aren't. There is nothing hip-hop about the vast majority of their material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.58.177.164 (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
So, do you have the mute on? Friginator (talk) 00:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Are you honestly saying that songs like Punk, M1 A1 and Dracula are alternative hip-hop? Gorillaz tracks, since the very beginning of the band, have spanned the musical gambit as far as genre is concerned. If the only accurate way, as far you are concerned, to pigeonhole the genre of Gorillaz is as "Alternative Hip-Hop," then we must go back and change any band that has made any tracks similar to any Gorillaz song, genre-wise, to Alternative Hip-Hop as well. We can start with all Dub bands, move on to percussion ensembles, Rock and Roll bands, Noise Bands, and so on and so forth.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.58.104 (talk) 00:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
To answer your question (before you edited your post), "Punk" or "M1 A1" don't sound like alternative hip-hop, but "Dracula" is, definitely. That isn't to say it's not branching out into other genres too, though. Gorillaz' music uses dozens of different styles. The article addresses that, but apparently you can only see the infobox. And if your problem is with the infobox genre being to narrow, go complain to someone else. That's not my fault. It causes too many problems. The fact that you're carrying on about it is a perfect example of that point. Friginator (talk) 01:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
The infobox is supposed to be a quick viewover of important information of the band isn't it? and Dracula is most certainly dub by the way. no hip-hop in there at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.58.104 (talk) 01:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Why did you ask about Dracula if you had your mind made up? And yes, that's what infoboxes are for. What's your point? Friginator (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
And could you please start signing your posts? The Sinebot edits are getting annoying. Friginator (talk) 01:32, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
my point is that as you said, the article covers Gorillaz multiple styles, so why shouldn't the infobox? I'm not saying we should pour tons of genres into the box, nor am I saying that Gorillaz doesn't have alternative hip-hop influences, but the majority of their work is certainly not alternative hip-hop and having that as the only genre in the infobox makes it appear that that is their only genre. 74.197.58.104 (talk) 00:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
It's Alternative. As simple as that. Why would you use a very specific genre when a less specific one is more accurate? 84.57.53.156 (talk) 11:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)Funky Tim

Major example of Wikipedia fail. So the genre stays at 'Alternative Hip Hop' because one guy 'Friginator' thinks that it should. AT LEAST HALF of their recorded output cannot be meaningfully described as 'Alternative Hip Hop' in a way, shape or form, and yes anyone having listened to their entire recorded output with a robust understanding of Alternative Hip Hop, would understand that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.216.102 (talk) 15:53, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

So if you don't like Wikipedia, go somewhere else. You're certainly not doing anything constructive here. Is the infobox really causing you that much trouble? Is it really making your life difficult? Because it shouldn't. There's been consensus and it's not just me who wants to keep it like it is--clean and simple. Friginator (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not making my life difficult bro, I only took about 30 seconds to write a couple of lines about it. But it is an insitutional failing of Wikipedia that just one person who's paid his dues by putting in countless hours on tedious edits all over the place and has a nice shiny userpage, can keep misinformation on a page accessed by 1000s of people as their primary source of info about Gorillaz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.216.102 (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

So again, if it bothers you, leave. Friginator (talk) 17:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Is that what you have to do if something about Wikipedia bothers you? Leave? I don't think there would be many visitors or even editors left if that was the case (not to mention that nothing would ever change - Wikipedia policies do change all the time as I'm sure you know). It has many good uses, but also some failings, it's not illogical to point out the problems while still believing it's worthwhile to use on balance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.216.102 (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm asking you to leave because you aren't saying anything helpful. You're just complaining about Wikipedia itself. If you're not going to actually do something constructive, leave. It's not rocket science. And if this goes on much further I'm just going to remove it, as it has nothing to do with the Gorillaz article. Friginator (talk) 17:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Fridge, you know you're coming off by your comments as someone who is saying "Because I think that this is the right genre, no matter how many other people believe it isn't, it should stay that way. And I am a Wikipedia regular, so if you don't think that's right then you are wrong so leave."74.197.58.104 (talk
To be honest, I really don't care what people interpret my comments as meaning in subtext. But if someone isn't going to be constructive, isn't going to discuss relevant subjects, and is only going to complain about this website, they should leave. Whether or not I'm a "Wikipedia regular" or someone who "paid his dues by putting in countless hours on tedious edits all over the place and has a nice shiny userpage", as 86.17.216.102 obliviously put it, is completely irrelevant to the Gorillaz article. Anyone who has a problem with my role as an editor can take it to an administrator noticeboard. If you want to try and get me blocked, go here and ask an administrator to do it. Otherwise, I'm going to continue making edits that I think are helpful to this encyclopedia. Even if I come off as a jerk to some people. Friginator (talk) 19:19, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, in that case I, a new user in this discussion, actually do have a constructive suggestion. Wouldn't "Experimental Pop" be a far more accurate description of the Gorillaz musical style and range? Other possible quick descriptions of it could include "Post pop", and "Alternative, Experimental". All of these would most likely better describe the band. While I certainly agree that it is a fusion genre project, the idea the alternative Hip-Hop is the best description for the group seems off to me. Perhaps even just adding "experimental" as a single other genre would be a fair compromise. Epocalypse 11:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC).
Again it seems this is starting to become a personal insult flinging arguement as The Fall talk page ended up becoming until the end. I'll state my own opinion for once but only to hopefully end this shenanigans once and for all. I again will not involve my own 'genre' opinion but state that perhaps one genre is certainly not enough to describe Gorillaz, but neither is filling the genre box with an endless tab of genres. Try to refrain it to three, 'Alternative Hip-Hop, Experimental, etc.' or any other combination you can all agree on and what seems realistic to all parties. Just as User:Epocalypse proposed. User:Dobat Dobat the Hobbat 14:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
So, does everyone agree with Alternative rock? Friginator (talk) 19:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.58.104 (talk) 02:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay guys. It's alternative hip-hop and alternative rock now. Fair enough, but I have changed it to Alternative rock many times, it says on their OFFICIAL Facebook page "Genre: Alternative rock." You can't argue with that. I can't take it that people say it's alternative hip-hop! They're not. They're alternative rock. GrandTheftFreak (talk)GrandTheftFreak

The Fall

The Fall is officially the band's fourth studio album, so why can't it be added to their list of studio albums, and is credited as an "Other Release" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.114.102 (talk) 18:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Because it wasn't made in a studio, and there was consensus that it worked better that way. Friginator (talk) 18:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it was made in a studio. They had a mobile studio ith them on the tour. But I agree, it really isn't the fourth album there was no promotion, as well as no singles. I'm not sure what it should be called. it definitely isn't a compilation album either. 74.197.58.104 (talk
Well, yeah, everything is made in a studio if you take it like that. But yeah, It's not a live album, studio album, compilation album, remix album, soundtrack or EP. There's no specific template that really applies to it. Friginator (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Where is this consensus you keep referring to? Please link to evidence of consensus when you mention it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.216.102 (talk) 19:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

It's here. We decided to put G Sides, Laika Come Home, D-Sides and The Fall all in the "Other albums" row. Friginator (talk) 20:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
A 'consensus' of 2? lmao ~WikiWarrior  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.216.102 (talk) 20:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that the articles for the Gorillaz fictional band-members——be merged into this article. Per WP:FICTION, "Fictional elements are expected to follow the same notability guidelines as any other topic." There is nothing in reliable, independent sources that discusses these four fictional characters, meaning they aren't notable to have their own articles (although they are plausible search terms). As I said in my nomination statement at AfD, "the[se] articles are unentirely unreferenced, and written in a completely in-universe style, without no indication of real world notability."—indopug (talk) 13:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Despite what the rules may say, I think that the Gorillaz characters are too important to merely get blurbs on the main Gorillaz page. Since the long-form character pages do seem to be quite disorganized and unreferenced and such, perhaps a better option would be so create a single article for all the characters in the Gorillaz universe (including those like The Boogeyman and Wee Jimmy Manson from ROTO) in order to provide an explanation of the Gorillaz story while also saving space. Many works of fiction have thse sorts of pages when (for example, with One Piece) writing a few paragraphs on the main article is not enough. I suppose the main issue here is deciding whether the Gorillaz story is layered and important enough to warrant this, despite its current unfinished state (whether it will ever be finished it, to me, questionable).

There are probably many places where references could be taken from (the official site, Rise of the Ogre), and if we were to write this character page in a more Wikipedian style and include these references, than everyone would be happy. I hope we can reach an agreement that can work for both Gorillaz fans and regular Wikipedians. --LoganTheGeshrat (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Er, no. Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction): "When an article is created, the subject's real-world notability should be established according to the general notability guideline by including independent reliable secondary sources" (emphasis mine). The band's official website is a primary source, and cannot be used. As, for "Many works of fiction have thse sorts of pages", please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.—indopug (talk) 03:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I realize now that you were not talking about sources for the plot of Gorillaz, but that you want some sort of (non-Wikipedia) article that looks at the Gorillaz characters and talks about them, so you can keep the articles from being completely about the plot (which I suppose can be seen as "in-universe"). Are you saying that, if you could find one or more of these articles, the Wikipedia articles would be able to stay on the site? I was under the impression that the deletion of these articles would create just a small section of blurbs about the characters on the main Gorillaz article (something that Gorillaz fans, and people who want more information on the Gorillaz characters but don't want to spend money and don't know any other sites than Wikipedia, would not like). Are you saying, that if a news article talking about the characters' histories could be found, than the long descriptions of the characters and their lives could remain? If so, I'm sure there's an article like that out there, and hopefully I will be able to find it sometime soon.
But just because the existence of "list of ____ characters" articles alone doesn't mean anything to you does not mean that one for Gorillaz should not be made. I honestly wish I could circumvent the rules in order to create a compromise without having to go on a search for a secondary source, but if it must be done it must be done. I'll try to find one. --LoganTheGeshrat (talk) 03:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)\

Breakup Rumors

A U.K. tabloid (The People) reported that Damon and Jamie fell out and Gorillaz have disbanded. There's been some edits to the article based on this, but I think we really need to dismiss this as a rumor unless we get an official report on it.

Agreed. We shouldn't even report on rumors unless they're relevant to something factual. I've reverted the page, and at the rate this is going, I'm considering asking for semi-protection, until everything is sorted out. Friginator (talk) 22:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Jamie's son said on his formspring that it's true. If that accounts for anything: http://www.formspring.me/DENH01M?1297030657737 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.43.171 (talk) 22:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
That's not a reliable source for this. Social networking sites are almost never counted as reliable sources. Friginator (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
There are so many things wrong in that article it's not even funny. It says Damon's now going to work on other projects, like the opera he's working on....But they seem to have forgotten that he's working on this opera with Jamie. Oh, and did I mention they spelled Gorillaz wrong? As for Jamie's son, I don't quite know what to think about it(If you'll allow for my non-Wikipedian opinion....He looks like a jerk), but I'm constantly checking for new info on this, and I'll help in any way possible.--LoganTheGeshrat (talk) 01:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


introduction

To move further away from fantalk and towards encyclopedic content, it would be useful in the intor for someone to say what they tend to write songs about and why. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 16:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

That might actually encourage fan opinion. The "band" doesn't really write songs all on one general topic or theme, and most of their songs don't have any stated meaning. Some, I'm pretty sure, are complete nonsense, lyrically. Plus, even if it is sourced, you can get out-of-context quotes like this one, describing Demon Days, which is actually quoted on the Demon Days article: "[A] vivid, spastic concept album about the last primates to survive the apocalypse..." That sort of thing. Then there are interviews with fictional band members. Here's part of one, in which the characters explain the song, "White Light":
Noodle: "This song is about the relentless fury of alcohol. The focused drive and singular thirst that that kind of desire creates. One man’s passion is another man’s addiction: Alcohol is one of the ways we suppress our indecisions."
Murdoc: "Certainly one of the better ones, love. 'Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.' "
And, as a reminder, these are all the lyrics to the song in question:
"White light, white light, white light, alcohol, alcohol, alcohol, white light."
That's it. It's just those words repeated six times. I doubt much meaning was intended when the song was written. I doubt the lyrics went through much of a writing process. Plus, for all we know, the lyrics could be: "wildlife, wildlife, wildlife, echo, echo, echo, wildlife." Then the song could be about the failure to help endangered animals. Who knows? This is just one example. People are going to hear and think what they want, but it doesn't make it fact. Friginator (talk) 19:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


Edit request from Charlie668, 2 April 2011


Charlie668 (talk) 18:53, 2 April 2011 (UTC) the fall is a studio album damon said it was the fourth album of the studio albums

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Monty845 08:24, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Genre

I recently made an edit adding electronica as a genre which was quickly removed. I feel that this should be added as their newest album, "The Fall", was made primarily using synthesizers and drum machines not to mention that songs on their "Plastic Beach" album were also made using both synthesizers and drum machines. Here is a list of songs that should not be listed under alternative hip-hop or alternative rock and would be best listed under the rather ambiguous umbrella genre of electronica. 19-2000 Glitter Freeze Some Kind of Nature On Melancholy Hill Broken Phoner to Arizona Detroit Shy-town Little Pink Plastic Bags The Joplin Spider" The Parish of Space Dust The Snake in Dallas The Speak It Mountains

This was just a quick list as I am sure there are more. I challenge you to really listen to these songs then look up the definition of electronica. If you are thinking that because most of these songs are on "The Fall" that they shouldn't be listed under electronica consider this; a folk band puts out five very obviously folk albums then releases one heavy metal album. On the genre page heavy metal should still be listed. This is, of course, an extreme example as "The Fall" is the Gorillaz fourth studio album and their music has always had ample electronic elements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blt33 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

This has been discussed over and over and over again. There's no point in opening this up to more genre-warring. That was part of why the article was protected--everyone wants to add there own genre. The point of the infobox parameter is to keep it simple. We can't just add every genre that the songs have ever fallen under. We can list them in the article itself, but the infobox shouldn't have more than a couple general terms to give readers an idea of what the music sounds like as a whole. Friginator (talk) 18:21, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I vehemently disagree. While in general the heading should be succinct, and while I would agree with the above post if their electronica songs were distributed sparingly across all of their albums, they are not. Rather, the band's more recent albums have been increasingly classifiable as electronica. In fact, their most recent album's entry explicitly lists electronica as one of its genres. Given the band's trend towards more electronically influenced music and their extensive use of electronic instrumentation on all of their albums, adding the nonspecific genre Electronica to the list seems appropriate. This will not only give readers the (correct) impression that Gorillaz make extensive use of electronic instrumentation, but will also more accurately summarize their sound. The current list ignores the large influence of electronic music on the Gorillaz, and should be modified to, as you said, "give readers an idea of what the music sounds like as a whole". Sas556 (talk) 03:48, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

If alternative rock is to be included, there needs to be at least one reliable source describing the band as such.Mlillybaltimore (talk) 02:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Natiscoo32, 11 April 2011

The album "The Fall" by Gorillaz has not been released. The album will be released on April 18th. May I change the date? Source: Gorillaz official website. Link: http://www.gorillaz.com Natiscoo32 (talk) 00:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

 Done Krashlandon (talk) 23:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

The album has actually been available since 25 December 2010 to members of the fanclub through the official site. The April release is just the first time the album's been put out as a physical CD. Friginator (talk) 00:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for correcting that. Krashlandon (talk) 02:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

The Fall

People have added The Fall to the Studio albums section several times, despite there being a comment specifically asking us not to, so I've removed it again. The content was recorded on tour, but it looks like it has had studio work done on it, and Gorillaz discography lists it as a Studio album. There is some discussion above, but it is inconclusive. So can we get a consensus and make sure the "hidden" comment is as we want it - is it a Live album or a Studio album? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Seems it's been added again - I'm happy to leave it there and see what people think -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
It is definitely not a live album. While the album was recorded on tour, none of the tracks on The Fall were live recordings. I personally say keep it as a studio album. Rocker10000 (talk) 21:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Damon Albarn said himself it is not the fourth Gorillaz album: "Well it's not the next Gorillaz album, I wrote a diary, I used my time on the tour in America to make music every day. And I started at the beginning and ended a month later. And yes it's a diary of a journey, a sort of sonic journey around America. But in the conventional sense of a big commercial release, no, it's just a piece of music, it just continues a process, it keeps things interesting, and you know, for me, I discovered the iPad, fell in love with it, and made a record using it pretty much exclusively. So it's another record from Gorillaz. But the next Gorillaz album, I don't know if you could really classify it as that." I really think this should be taken off the studio albums list and template as it would wrongly mislead people to think this is the fourth Gorillaz album, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.58.177.164 (talk) 02:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Last year a user went and effectively pageblanked all the band member pages and didn't even give a discussion about it. I noticed this and opened up a discussion which ended up resulting in a deletion discussion the result of which was to keep the band member pages. Apparently this year the same user put a tag on all the band member pages for a merge, and once again there is no actual discussion going on. If you go through the talk pages for the band members they have been challenged over the years and the consensus has consistently been to keep the pages. In my opinion merging the material from the band member pages would make the main article too long, and last time the "merge" was really just a delete of all the pages in one fell swoop with no material brought into the main article at all. The independent notability of the band members has been defended time and again. In any case, I would be inclined to just Be Bold and remove the tag since there has been no discussion in over half a year, but I am going to go ahead and be charitable and provide the section for discussion the tagger did not create. I'll check back on this and if there is no discussion on it after awhile I will go ahead and remove the tags. Rifter0x0000 (talk) 03:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay the tag was there since January and I posted this in July. I think that is long enough if someone wanted to actually justify merging the articles, which really would not have been possible. Essentially it would mean the very lengthy articles on the band members would be gone. Removing the tags. Rifter0x0000 (talk) 03:27, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Glastonbury?

No information whatsoever? I know it didn't get great reviews but what's going on folks? I'm new to this and not the best qualified to write it up in any case but there must be someone who is?

piz zip

pizip are an English musical and visual project created in 2012 by Philip edwins . The project consists of piz zip music itself and an extensive fictional universe depicting a "virtual band" of cartoon characters. This band has four animated members: 3-p miller(lead vocalist, keyboard, and melodica), moon star(bass guitar and drum machine), sherily (guitar, keyboard, and occasional vocals) and Russel (drums and percussion). Their fictional universe is explored through the band's website and music videos, as well as a number of other media, such as short cartoons. The music is a collaboration between various musicians, Albarn being the only permanent musical contributor. Their style is a composition of multiple musical genres, with a large number of influences including alternative Jesus songs, holy band, hip hop, electronic, and music.[1][2][3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.124.127.154 (talk) 15:36, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hiatus

Surely it's a little early for changing the article to past-tense? So they've had a bit of a fall-out - we don't know for sure it's over. At least wait for official news - all Albarn's said is that future projects are "unlikely" - and that was only today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arran64 (talk • contribs) 06:15, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Template {{The Clash}}

The logic for the addition of the {{The Clash}} template, and their interlinking removal, escapes me. The interrelationship in the body is sufficient, the requirement for the additional template is not. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:42, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Album chronology

Should it be separated from "other albums" (such as compilations, remixes, etc...) and studio albums? Have a look here. In my opinion I see Gorillaz as complex because they have four studio albums and 5 "other albums", which is more "other albums" then studio. --124.184.245.127 (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for opening this post. Looking at Gorillaz discography, their discography seems relatively simple and should be linked in a single chronological chain with all albums: studio, remix, EP, etc. I dont think their DVDs are albums and should probably be separated from the Albums section at the discography page, perhaps in a videography section (like Madonna videography (w/music videos there) or just "DVDs". Nonetheless, even discographies as prolific as Michael Jackson's were merged into one chronological chain after the guideline was changed at Template:Infobox album, so this shouldnt be an exception. I think the complex cases may be with a prolific artist being apart of another's project; I noticed Madonna's videography articles having specific chronologies like at Drowned World Tour 2001, which seems warranted considering the Madonna videography article. Dan56 (talk) 01:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

This issue was previously discussed here; this discussion led to the change for all albums being included. Dan56 (talk) 01:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I see. But the Sum 41 albums are separated. Please check it out and determine if you would consider that more complex compare to Gorillaz. --124.184.245.127 (talk) 08:16, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Those articles havent been updated, or the editors of those articles are ignoring the guideline and choosing their personal preference. Try to avoid the "other stuff exists" line of argument, as there are more poorly written articles then there are good. Not that those album articles are poor, just that this is the guideline and you are free to change the Sum 41 album articles, citing Template:Infobox album#Chronology. Dan56 (talk) 14:22, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Gorillaz (album)

There is a problem on the Gorillaz (album). Under the personnel section. It seems like it's incomplete on the non-virtual part. It doesn't state who played the drums and the bass (guitar) and all the other instruments that are heard on the album. --58.164.64.5 (talk) 11:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Kidrobot

Does anyone knows how many copies of the Kidrobot vinyl figures were made for each editions? There are the 2005 editions released in "black" set and "red" set plus special "DARE" Noodle edition. On 16 October 2006 basic "CMYK" editions were released, followed by the "two-tone" edition and "white" edition on 2 November 2006.

All of these information are listed on the article under the "Phase Two: Slowboat to Hades (2004–2007)" section about the sixth paragraph. But it doesn't state how many copies of each editions were made. --58.167.82.88 (talk) 12:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure how many of the original red and black were released. But the new(er) edition of CMYK was limited to 60 000, white was limited to 4000 and 2-tone was limited to 1000. According to the source stating the figures. --Mr. Washee Washee (talk) 23:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Jock The Goat

gorillaz, fifth member, Jock, Goat, Jock The Goat, Lost, forgotten, Coverup, by, Military, Experiment, super intelligent, Human mind, Talks like, Ewan McGregor, talk to me, jamie hewlett, tapped in area 51 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoldyFred (talk • contribs) 20:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

The Evangelist/Lukas

The reference given (http://gorillaz.com/evangelist) does talk about the The Evangelist as an Official Gorillaz CHARACTER, but nowhere on that page is it mentioned that they have joined the band. The Gorillaz universe is made up of many characters, some of which only exist in the universe and are not band members. The Boogieman for example.

Next to this you provided no source to backup your edit that a new band member "Lukas" has joined. The edit that Murdoc has left also needs citation.

Based on the fact that no new information about the bands story/universe has come out since the DoYaThing episode, i am removing these edits until a proper source is available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diesal 11 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Trip hop

Trip hop is definitely a common genre in Gorillaz' music, and it should be returned to the infobox, as it was removed a couple of months ago. I personally know a guy who was the pioneer of trip hop (http://www.last.fm/music/45+Dip) and he cites Gorillaz as a definite trip hop group. 86.142.178.96 (talk) 20:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Agree. Gorillaz have played too many genres to list on their page, but trip-hop is a very common one for them. Also I think "Electronica" should be added, because currently there is nothing in the genres to indicate their very obvious and prominent electronic sounds that they've done throughout their career. MetalicMadness (talk) 00:40, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Needs multiple reliable sources to add to the article, let alone the infobox. STATic message me! 01:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Maintenance tag

Please do not delete maintenance tags without addressing the problem. The fact that much of the article has refs does not mean that unreferenced material can be added. Unreferenced material need not even be tagged -- it can be challenged and deleted at any time, per wp:v. And cannot then be restored without proper RS inline citations. --Epeefleche (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Pete Candeland and others

This article doesn't talk much about the animators and other directors of the videos, like Pete Candeland. I'm not sure where it would be best to put it in, but I think their contributions to Gorillaz were very important. Does anyone have thoughts on this?—Zujine|talk 21:00, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I've been busy irl so I hadn't check back on this until now. I think I'll add a new section for some of this content after I take the time to compile it—something along on the lines of "Other collaborators" or something to that effect. More to come. —Zujine|talk 19:53, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Please Stop Reverting Me

I seriously don't see why you keep doing this. I know there are reasons in some of the edits, but they don't make any sense.

I'm not introducing obvious mistakes. I am simply adding information, and I don't see why it is being reverted. OK, so "real-life equivalents" was not the best choice of words. But I see no reason why we cannot say "in real-life, voiced and/or played by" or etc. It's introducing helpful information, not vandalizing. So, seriously stop.

Jubilantballoons (talk) 22:23, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Did you notice the completely opposite sentence which is already in the article, supported by a reference? The sentence which makes your version false? Here it is: "These members are completely fictional and are not personas of any 'real life' musicians involved in the project." The sentence is supported by an interview reference. I don't have access to the interview text but I trust it more than an unreferenced assertion introduced as "helpful information". Binksternet (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
There is no contradiction. Your objection suggests you've read the removed statement as claiming that the voice actors are portraying the real-life musicians involved. That's not what it's saying. The band is made up of fictional characters; the (real-life) voice actors play those (fictional) characters - nothing more was claimed. Personally I think it's rather confusing (as this conversation apparently demonstrates) to have them listed in quite that form (especially with seven actors for four roles), but it would be helpful to have a subsection for "Voice actors" in the "Band members" section. After all, Gorillaz is a multimedia project, and the voice actors have an important role in it. --Walnuts go kapow (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. I'm not claiming it's real life personas, just voice actors and players. I know perfectly well that they aren't supposed to represent real-life personas.

Ah, forgive me for misunderstanding. In that case, I am against your insertion because it lists seven names for four characters, so it lacks clarity. I'm also against this particular insertion because of WP:LEAD: information in the lead section should be a summary of the body of the article. We should tell the reader who voices each character down in the body. Binksternet (talk) 23:02, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Tina Weymouth

Tina Weymouth should be mentioned somewhere, but I’m not sure of all the details of her involvement. According to her page she “contributed backing vocals and percussion for the alternative rock virtual band Gorillaz; the backing vocals were provided for the character Noodle.” El Mariachi (talk) 22:07, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

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The Fall Year

Why is The Fall listed as 2011 in the discography when it was released in 2010? On that note, could someone also refer me to the consensus on The Fall being considered a "studio album?" 198.151.179.5 (talk) 21:51, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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