Talk:Great Falls, Montana

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I deleted the section on popular Great Falls radio stations. This is not encyclopedic information, nor should the popularity of a specific radio station be grounds for inclusion. 17:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I deleted a line about Great Falls having many alcoholics and methadone addicts. Besides the fact that there was no documentation, it just isn't encyclopedic. --Benfergy 07:00, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Great Falls appears to gather a number of "grafti" types. I've deleted several bogus entries 29Nov2005

Does anyone know who this Daniel N Oretga is? I can find no references to any Daniel Oretga and Great Falls anywhere else. Ralph 1Feb2006

Great Falls used to have some of the most beautiful Elm tress. Like many communities they have been lost to disease. It was one of the most memorable things about growing up in Great Falls.

No mention of the Great Falls of the Missouri or Lewis and Clark?

Removed USCOTW[edit]

I've removed U.S. Collaboration of the Week template. This page is for talk about the article concerning Great Falls, Montana only. See WP:USCOTW to nominate or vote on articles for U.S. Collaboration of the Week.--Ltvine 06:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely with Alansohn - noticed this before and didn't pull the trigger. Good edit... Thanks.Pearrari 11:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Undo motion picture addition[edit]

Addition of "And has been mentioned in the show Prison Break " doesn't appear to qualify as a motion picture filmed in Great Falls, and also is not verified/cited. Removing.--Pearrari (talk) 06:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Navigation Box[edit]

Created Navigation Box for Great Falls. I have little personal experience with Great Falls but thought that it should have one. It probably needs serious updating, but the framework is there for anyone who feels ambitious.


Per WP:ERA format should not be changed without proposal and consensus. - - MrBill3 (talk) 20:45, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Unsourced content[edit]

This edit restores unsourced content removed because it was unsourced. Per Wikipedia's core principle, WP:V, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution....Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source."

I removed, the material because it lacks reliable sources directly supporting it. It should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. The burden to provide that source lies with you, Montanabw. - SummerPhDv2.0 22:30, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

You deleted the content for no clear reason, which is Disruptive. If you sincerely and truly think some of those items don't belong in the list, raise it. If you think the list fails WP:TRIVIA, make your case, but the people who spend the most time on this article, Tim1965 and I, are very busy people and these sorts of random deletions by drive-by editors are a huge waste of editor resources. I do realize that you are still a relatively new user, but if you are capable of adding a citation, here's one that probably covers most of the films there. I encourage you to take the effort to assist in improving the article: [1]. Montanabw(talk) 00:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
I support SummerPhDv2.0's effort to clean up this article. As mentioned, WP:V states that "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." This does not appear to have happend. I also attempted to clean up this article by looking for the words "Great Falls" on all the target articles, and just two movie articles mention the city. I deleted the rest, as well as all the non-notable movies. These unsourced lists litter so many articles. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
So do so. Here is another source: [2]. Please feel free to add these sources. PEOPLE ARE BUSY! (It's 2017 Kentucky Derby week, I may not get back to this article for a month!) Montanabw(talk) 00:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Long debate
People apparently are too busy telling me to answer their burden to do much else. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
I deleted the material because it was unsourced. My edit summary said "unsourced". That's fairly similar to this edit summary.
Yes, I'm a fairly new editor? You've been here a couple of months longer than me.
As a drive-by, I'm apparently driving very slowly.
I removed unsourced material. Against policy, not a guideline or essay, you restored the material without an inline citation to a reliable source. Though this is clearly your WP:BURDEN you've decided that I should bow to your person guidelines.
If I were to be pointy, I'd be reverting your removal of Apollos University and demanding that you ask for a cite and wait. That would be disrupting the project to make a point.
That would be sanctionable at ANI. Montanabw(talk) 01:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Gee, thanks for explaining that to me. What else that I haven't done would be sanctioned? How about repeatedly restoring unsourced material? - SummerPhDv2.0 01:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
If you have any other accusations you'd like to make about me, please limit them to my talk page. How long I've been here, your definition of a drive-by, your definition of pointy behavior, who has the burden for restoring material challenged as unsourced, etc. would be lovely subjects to discuss there. Thanks. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Fine. I did this. And you could have. Between my last search and using the materials, you have now cost me time I could have better spent elsewhere. Do take your own advice and next time don't be such a WP:JERK. Montanabw(talk) 01:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
I think I once heard something about personal attacks being a bad idea. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:54, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Incidentally, I'd like to suggest that unsourced, non-notable films be removed promptly. If anyone would care to defend them, please do so now. If you'd like to keep unsourced, non-notable films, I'd wonder why.

Sourced, non-notable films should probably also go. Much as we wouldn't list non-notable residents (even if we can source them), I can't really see a reason to include random films just because we have a source. (If we did, New York City would be several dozen pages longer.) If you feel the film is notable and would like to include it for that reason, I'd suggest you WP:WTAF

Unsourced, notable films? At this point, it should be obvious that they have been challenged and will need sources.

As for the sources: Yes, I personally accept That said, I think we need to rename the section if we are going to use it. Currently, we are saying these were "...filmed in Great Falls". The source, however, says they were "...Made In and Around Great Falls".

The site is similar; it's apparently reliable but says "Great Falls area". However, if we dump the non-notable films, there is no reason to use this source.

Since the section includes "Unsolved Mysteries", "Motion pictures..." probably isn't the best choice.

I don't want to be accused of being a jerk, etc. so I'll let this sit for a day or two. If no one has any complaints, I will be removing the unsourced and non-notable films, giving the section a new title and filling in the refs (the bare URLs). - SummerPhDv2.0 02:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I'd go even further than that, SummerPhDv2.0. It's my contention that lists like these generally have little encyclopedic purpose and considerable promo purpose. I'd propose that to be included, one of two conditions need to apply. Either there has been reliable (not IMDB) coverage of the filming outside the local area (e.g. Variety) or the film itself can be shown to either portray the city in a meaningful way (of course by reliable secondary sources such as reviews in the press), or the filming of it had a substantial impact on the community. Otherwise, it's just trivial. BTW, the guideline for US settlement articles indicates the proper title for a section like this is "In popular culture". John from Idegon (talk) 09:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
John, the trivia issue is a totally different concern, and you can take that problem up with WP cities... I don't know why suddenly Great Falls got picked on when there are hundreds for far more obscure towns and films listed across Wikipedia. SummerPhDv2.0 was very uncivil to just go in and blank the content without doing any prior research, checking to see if the article was being curated, or otherwise being polite. It would have been far more polite to tag. People who don't create content fail to understand that we who do are often working on other projects as well as monitoring content for vandalism and so on; it is a serious inconvenience to have to drop other work to put out these wholly avoidable brushfires. Montanabw(talk) 08:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Please discuss content, not editors. - SummerPhDv2.0 18:00, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
All films in this list are now cited. I personally am hesitant to include movies filmed in Cascade County as "filmed in the Great Falls" unless there is a clear reason. I removed The Untouchables from the list of films, because it was not filmed in Great Falls. Only a single Montana location was used in that film Hardy Bridge (see Inbody citation, and cites on the Hardy Bridge article). I cannot find any references to Frozen in Fear being filmed in Great Falls; the Montana Film Office says it was filmed in the small towns of Darby and Hamiltion[3]. I retained Northfork: Although Giant Springs State Park is not inside the city, it is right on the city border (unlike Hardy Bridge, which is 30 miles away). Iron Ridge is a low-budget film, otherwise not notable except that (as the article about the film points out, with citations) the film is Montana financed, produced, and made (which otherwise makes it notable for the Great Falls article). The Vessel, Reborn, Tomorrow Will Be... , and Who's in the Mirror are all ultra-low-budget horror films made by a local filmmaker (who appears to have abandoned filmmaking post-2013), and could be removed. I cited them, but will allow someone else to determine notability. Although The Best Bar in America is similarly ultra-low-budget, it featured a famous bar (the Sip 'n Dip Lounge) in extensive scenes. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:36, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Tim1965. Should we add those films to the Cascade County page? Given that I had real life work that was pretty intense the last two weeks and am trying to create articles on at least some of the Derby horses, your extra effort is much appreciated. I loathe these lazy drive-by editors who lack even the common courtesy to inquire or tag. Montanabw(talk) 08:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I'll add the appropriate ones to the Cascade County, Montana article. (I had to look up what county Darby was in! Ravalli...) - Tim1965 (talk) 20:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)