Talk:Hachimaki

What about the shiru saji?

Maikel (talk) 17:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Citation less "Fact"

I got rid of the "rolling up one sleeves" comment at the bottom, it didn't have a citation, and it was unnecessary, or at least it needed a better analogy. If a Japanese citizen put on a head band to signal they were getting ready to work, I'm sure there is something of similar quality in Western culture where we put on an article of clothing to mean the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.111.209 (talk) 18:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Racist perspective of this page

it feels incredibly questionable to use pictures and examples of kamikaze pilots all over this page when the hachimaki is used throughout Japanese culture, commonly by students in school settings. one example is fine, but this page feels excessive. compare to the japanese version of this page to see what i mean.

while im an admittedly new user to wikipedia, the perspective of the author is an important factor to consider when writing cultural/historical descriptions. this article is explicitly written through an american lens, instead of trying to show common japanese use of the hachimaki 2600:4041:5410:3E00:184F:784D:7AE4:60A9 (talk) 15:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Currently, this article features three images of kamikaze pilots, and five other images showing the use of hachimaki in other circumstances. The article does mention they're used "especially by those in the military", and it does mention kamikaze pilots wearing them.

The History section could definitely be expanded upon, and it does pretty much only cover what a Westerner would likely know. You get the sense that some uncited content was probably removed at one point. I have a great reference on kabuki costume (known for its preservation of historical dress in performances) that probably mentions hachimaki and, with any luck, their origin. This should hopefully resolve that issue a little.

It's important to note that even if the subject topic is Japanese, Japanese Wikipedia is a sister project to Wikipedia and has no jurisdiction over how articles are written, illustrated and cited here. While articles can be expanded from their versions on non-English Wikipedias, English Wikipedia retains its editorial independence.

I feel it's important to note this because although you'd expect editorial standards to be identical across the board, they differ. English Wikipedia isn't top of the pile and if we spent all our time attempting to judiciate other Wikipedias, we'd be at it forever and a day.

This means that we can't take an article about a certain topic in its native language as the "ultimate", the ideal to live up to; editorial independence is useful, but it means we can't automatically trust the efforts of other editors in different languages, and they can't automatically trust us. Bear in mind that other Wikipedias are just as liable to misinformation, half-remembered fact, and downright vandalism as we are.

My point being, looking at the Japanese article is useful. But it's not a follow-my-lead exercise in editing, nor should it be.

In this case, sure, the gallery could be extended by an image, perhaps a couple (but not more than that), and the History section needs an extension. But I don't find the use of three images of kamikaze pilots excessive, and I don't think a very truncated History section is anything more than the hallmark of a small article that's had uncited claims trimmed from it, and thus ends up looking a bit weird and less than ideal.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 22:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)