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A fact from Heinz Baked Beans appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 November 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 2008, Heinz Baked Beans became "Heinz Beanz" because the company thought the original name "a bit of a mouthful"?

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Is the product genuinely, officially known as "Heinz Beanz" these days, or is this just a temporary marketing, relabelling gimmick? --McGeddon (talk) 16:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like they're still printing it on the label, three years on, although it's unclear whether they consider it the true name of the product: looking at one page of the Heinz website, they refer to the product as "Heinz® Baked Beans", while a different Heinz site calls them "Beanz" retroactively (even going so far as to say that the "first can of Heinz Beanz" was sold in 1891). The Telegraph source refers to "the name on the label" and "changing the can logo" rather than necessarily renaming the product.

Should we maybe just go with WP:COMMONNAME here? A Google News search (ignoring pre-2008 articles before the name change was announced) gives 35 results for "Heinz Baked Beans" and two for "Heinz Baked Beanz". Searching for books from 2009 onwards, 244 use "Beans" and just one uses "Beanz" (adding "I could cosh that Z with a wooden spoon, couldn't you?"). --McGeddon (talk) 10:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reduced versions[edit]

Reduced sugar and salt baked beans were introduced before 2004, thats for certain. I remember buying them when i was living in my first apartment and that was in 1990! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.150.80 (talk) 05:27, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. Cúchullain ^t/c 17:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz Baked Beanz → Heinz Baked Beans – Per my comments in the earlier section, the "Beanz" seems to be a cute piece of labelling rather than an official rename of the product that has been adopted by the press and public as a WP:COMMONNAME. Google News and Books search still return "Heinz Baked Beans" in far greater weight than "Heinz Baked Beanz". McGeddon (talk) 09:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. "Baked beans" is the correct term and always has been. "Beanz" is just a marketing slogan. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Heinz Beanz is the name of the brand. "Heinz beans" is a descriptive term meaning "the beans made by Heinz". That's why, when the media refer to "Heinz beans", the "b" is never capitalised. You can verify this for youself by comparing the Google News results for "heinz beanz" and "heinz beans" (obviously filtering out any results prior to 2004, when the brand name was changed). DoctorKubla (talk) 10:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not suggesting moving the article to "Heinz Beans", as this was never a labelled brand name and, as you say, nobody calls it this. (It actually looks like there are two relabellings going on here - from "Heinz Baked Beans" to "Heinz Baked Beanz" in 2004, and then to just "Heinz Beanz" in 2007.) There are plenty of capitalised results for "Heinz Baked Beans", though, and only five for "Heinz Baked Beanz". Next to the dozen or so results for "Heinz Beanz" (all of which appear to be "Heinz put out a press release today" stories), I'd say that "Heinz Baked Beans" had the WP:COMMONNAME here. --McGeddon (talk) 11:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per DoctorKubla. Rcsprinter (talk to me) No, I'm Santa Claus! @ 10:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved as suggested. Sandstein 16:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz Baked Beanz → Heinz Baked Beans – Relisting the WP:COMMONNAME move request above, since the first "oppose" above - and it's supported "per" - appeared to be based on the misreading that I was proposing a move to "Heinz Beans". McGeddon (talk) 09:57, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how that misunderstanding came about; I think I initially omitted the "baked" for brevity, and then got confused by the 2008 rename. Anyway, that's a bit of a pedantic excuse to restart the debate. My reasoning still stands: "Heinz Baked Beanz" is a brand name, "Heinz baked beans" is a description of the product. "Heinz Baked Beans", capitalised, just doesn't make sense on any count. DoctorKubla (talk) 17:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Now I'm confused. Is DoctorKubla suggesting the article should stay at Heinz Baked Beanz, or is he suggesting the move should be to Heinz baked beans? Or even to Heinz Beanz? Or maybe even Heinz beans? Skinsmoke (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if relisting looked a bit cheap, but we genuinely couldn't tell if anyone actually had any objection to renaming the article to "Heinz Baked Beans", there.

The capitalised spelling "Heinz Baked Beans" makes sense to the press cuttings that use it (and as I say above, this spelling is used much more frequently than "Heinz Baked Beanz"), but I'm not really sure what should happen when a clear WP:COMMONNAME clashes with a trademark. The fact that the product spent a hundred years using a particular spelling should maybe give us pause. --McGeddon (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support move which seems to be towards the commonest name. While it is possible that a bit of cute advertising rebranding can become the general name ~ Chinese gooseberry anyone? ~ it does not seem that that has happened here, at least yet. Cheers, Lindsay^Hello 09:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose When the vernacular pronunciation of the brand name does not differ, as is the case here, I would prefer to see it in the namespace that reflects the actual brand name. If you drop the 'z' in favour of an 's', the article would need to be moved to 'Heinz baked beans' (without the capitals, implying generic beans). -- Ohconfucius ^{ping / poke} 02:47, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree (about use of minuscules); for the vast majority of the lifespan of the product, it has been called Heinz Baked Beans, so that would be the correct capitalisation, since that would be what the title referred to. Cheers, Lindsay^Hello 04:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support as before. No reason we should use a recent marketing gimic in our article naming. Does anyone actually use the "beanz" spelling outside the product labelling? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. "Heinz Baked Beans" is still more common even in recent hits from Google News: 56 vs. only 1.[1]. Not all the sources capitalize "Heinz Baked Beans", but our style guidelines recommend we do so as it's a proper name.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:08, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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History detail[edit]

I noticed the addition of the statement that "The man who created Heinz Beans was called Heinz" under History. Isn't that fairly obvious, and does it merit inclusion? Radioactivated (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First sales at Fortnum and Mason[edit]

The first purchases of baked beans from Heinz were in 1886, not 1901. I can't find any reference to the first year of manufacture so I've stripped that out. Barry Wom (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"In popular culture"[edit]

The "In popular culture" section was a bunch of trivial, unsourced claims. I removed all except the museum, which was sourced. Adding any other "popular culture" (i.e. trivia) should only be done with a reliable source attached. Schazjmd (talk) 00:43, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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