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- 1 Homelessness defined
- 2 Homelessness in Australia
- 3 List of foreign terms for homeless?
- 4 Contributing causes of homelessness ... work aversion?
- 5 Worldwide view
- 6 Linguistic titles for the homeless around the world
- 7 The Homeless Guy
- 8 Title
- 9 US Healthcare & Medicaid
- 10 International law and homelessness
- 11 Schizophrenia
- 12 sleeping rough
- 13 homelessness in Canada
- 14 Homelessness probably didn't begin in the Middle Ages
- 15 lifestyle choice
- 16 Mental Illness and Deinstitutionalization
- 17 Recent Edit (s)
- 18 New Page Proposal
- 19 Disambiguation page is protected but has terrible improper language tantamount to hate speech
- 20 Ref=homeless viewed as unobtrusive please weave into mainspace
- 21 I would like to edit this
- 22 19th century section
- 23 Picture of the 'homeless' guy in Amsterdam
- 24 Homeless defined (redux)- Please review/revise
- 25 Hungary bans homelessness Wikinews resource
- 26 Refuges for homeless people
- 27 New HUD definition
- 28 File:Homeless in porter square.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- 29 File:Homeless children in US 2006-10.png Nominated for Deletion
- 30 The legal definition of "homeless" varies from country to country, or among different entities or institutions in the same country or region
- 31 SSI/SSDI Outreach, Access and Recovery Program
- 32 Move request
- 33 Homelessness#Belgium
I changed the definition of homelessness to reflect something of the consensus view defined by a number of governments or social organizations and included two cites. I specfically quoted Swedish and US government definitions, but this is not exhaustive and there may be slightly better or universally accepted definitions by other authorities, but I do feel it's necessary to put CITED sources for the definition of the term and I hope perhaps others will edit or modify or add to this definition with other sources. The previous "definition" provided reflected a point of view as to why homelessness exists "because they cannot afford, pay for, or are otherwise unable to maintain...." (which presumes without citing that homeless people want or can not pay for some form of housing) Jasoncward (talk) 03:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)homeless is people that dont have enough money to survive econmically, so the secong best thing to do is live on the streets
Homelessness in Australia
Can you please update the definitions section with the following:
Homelessness in Australia The most accepted definition of homelessness in Australia is Chamberlain and Mackenzies’ ‘Cultural Definition of Homelessness.’ This definition breaks down homelessness into three catagories, primary, secondary and tertiary. Homelessness policy in Australia aims to tackle all three levels.
Primary Homelessness refers to people without conventional accommodation, and it includes people living on the streets and in other public places such as parks, sqatting in buildings or using vehicles, for temporary shelter.
Secondary Homelessness refers to people staying in emergency or transitional accomodation and people residing temporarily with other households because they have no accomodation of their own. It also includes people staying in emergency or transitional accomodation provided by governments and non-government organisations and people residing in boarding houses for 12 weeks or less.
Tertiary Homelessness refers to people living in boarding houses on a medium- to long-term basis for over 12 weeks.
Can you please update the homelessness in Australia section with the following:
The response to homelessness in Australia is currently undergoing major reforms. In 2008, the Australian Government released The Road Home, outlining a new approach to reduce homelessness in Australia. The largest shift in thinking on homelessness in Australia in more than two decades, The Road Home mandates better integrated service delivery, national targets on homelessness and reforms in sectors including child protection, mental health and alcohol and other drugs. Riding on the back the strongest ever commitment to tackling homelessness in Australia, The Road Home sets impressive goals, calling for a 50 per cent reduction in overall homelessness (defined using Chamberlain and Mackenzies’ ‘Cultural Definition of Homelessness’) and an elimination of primary homelessness (rough sleeping) by 2020. To achieve these ambitious goals, the Australian Government announced AU$6.6 billion in funding for homelessness over its first five years of operation; a commitment that Australians hope will be continued in the lead up to 2020.
To monitor progress towards these goals, The Road Home sets thee headline interim targets to 2013, these being a 25 per cent reduction to primary homelessness, a 20 per cent reduction to overall homelessness, and a 25 per cent reduction in the number of people seeking specialist homelessness service support more than three times a year. Requiring an average reduction in primary homelessness by 750-1000 people per year to 2013, achieving these targets will be challenging for the various levels of Government in Australia as well as the community and health care sectors.
As no effective method currently exists to measure homelessness on a year by year basis, The Road Home proposes eight clear Australian state and territory interim targets that break down achievement by sectors and target groups. For example, The Road Home mandates that states and territories must reduce the number of people exiting care or custody into homelessness by 25 per cent and must increase the number of people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness receiving legal services by 25 per cent as well as six other similar targets. The Road Home implies that if these eight targets are met and if social housing stock is increased then there will be a 25 per cent reduction to primary homelessness, a 20 per cent reduction to overall homelessness, and a 25 per cent reduction in the number of people seeking specialist homelessness service support more than three times a year by 2013.
The Road Home outlines 55 distinct reforms that the Australian Government will undertake in collaboration with the states and territories in order to facilitate the achievement of these targets, and these include social and indigenous housing reforms as well as measures targeted at reducing homelessness directly. For example, Australian states and territories must deliver additional prevention and early intervention services for up to 2,250 families at risk of homelessness.
The policies in The Road Home will be implemented over the next 11 years.
Can you please add the following to External Links.
Homelessness Australia is the peak Australian body on homelessness. It's website has links to homelessness data and issues in Australia.
List of foreign terms for homeless?
Why is this list necessary or even relevant? Wikipedia is certainly not a translation tool. Foreign words are already linked in the interwiki list. Is there any reason why this should stay? OrangeDog (talk • edits) 04:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
== Total housing units == I don't think that a serious discussion on homelessness can be had without a discussion of a country's total housing units and commercial space. How many total housing units are there in the United States for example. My research using HUD documents suggests that there are as many as 400 million housing units in the United states - nearly 100 million more than the total population. This does not take into account commercial and industrial units.
Can anyone verify these figures? It would also be helpful to have the number of abandoned and unoccupied units by year by state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:07, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Contributing causes of homelessness ... work aversion?
- Work aversion, responsible for 45% of homelessness cases<ref>http://books.google.com/books?lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html&as_brr=3&id=gGCqJic8ms4C&dq=%22work+aversion%22&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&sig=ACfU3U3V_N4sg_ytCrvZotyN56m1fAZsig&q=%22work+aversion%22</ref>
The problem with this addition is if you look at the source, it actually states that in a 1987 telephone survey of 293 random persons in Nashville, 45% of those surveyed thought that work aversion was a contributing factor. The source does not state that this was an actual cause - only that it was thought to be a cause by a small random sampling used in the survey. As a reliable source is not yet available to show this to be an actual cause, I've removed the mention from the article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
It seems that this article mostly deals with the United States. Is there problem of homeless in other countries? For example, I know that in Europe in some countries there are special 'social' apartments for those who cannot pay for shelter. And also for example in the USSR there was no homeless at all (citizenship was strongly associated with a propiska and nobody could be stripped of it without substitution).--MathFacts (talk) 11:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- You're right, and that's why there's a maintenance tag at the top of the article explaining that. It would be great if you could be bold and expand the article, but please remember verifiability and, if you can, provide reliable sources for any content you add or else it may be reverted as original research. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 06:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree that this article is far too heavily weighted toward the United States and England. Who but a Briton would think that miniscule details of 16th Century English law would be the first order of business on a worldwide wikipedia page concerning homelessness? The article does need expansion, I agree, but more than that it needs a simple reorganization of priorities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Linguistic titles for the homeless around the world
I think we should remove the section "Linguistic titles for the homeless around the world". It's not encyclopedic, it's something you'd expect to find in a dictionary. Any objections? delldot ∇. 17:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Whoops, hadn't noticed the same topic above. I'll get rid of it now, if there's any problem with that let me know. delldot ∇. 17:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The Homeless Guy
I would like that my blog on my homeless experiences be included within the references of this article. I have been in and around homelessness since 1982. I have been writing about homelessness since 2002. My blog has been the subject of numerable newspaper and magazine articles, from USAToday to Wired Magazine, Salon.com and the Utne Reader. I have been involved with government and homeless shelter agencies. I have been on the board of directors of the Campus for Human Development in Nashville. I have sat on the Mayor's Taskforce on Homelessness, and the Metro Homelessness Commission in Nashville Tn. I once created my own homeless street newspaper and was a member of the North American Street Newspaper Association.
- After taking a look at the blog, I disagree with adding it to this article.
It may be more appropriate to submit it to dmoz.org, which is currently linked to from this article.I see it's already linked from dmoz.org, which is linked to from this article. That's a far more appropriate location for linking it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- What's wrong with linking to it? Why the need for the intermediary? Maybe the intermediary will say no? Perhaps we need an article "Homeless Blogs?" but I am concerned that is too referential to the internet, a minor concern.Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 02:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
WP:ADJECTIVE says to use the noun form instead of the adjectival form, so this article should probably be renamed "homeless person" or "homeless people". I prefer the latter. Although WP:NAME says that the singular form is usually preferred, the plural form can be used when discussing classes of objects.
- The problem you run into there is that you are not citing references to surveys of the nature and status of the homeless population you are citing refs to more abstract treatments of the topic. It is really a distinguishable topic. Secondly, you would be writing about people in a way that might be derogatory inadvertantly but derogatory. Better to stick with discussion of the abstraction, homelessness, than to risk harming Living Persons. Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 02:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
US Healthcare & Medicaid
I edited Medicaid in because it is intended to cover most of the homeless. It is a fact that it is not working as intended in many cases and it does not cover illegals. Medicaid and the fact that no emergency room in the US may deny medical services to the homeless was not covered. These needed to be mentioned. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
International law and homelessness
human right of housing
There is no international law that establishes a "human right of housing". The UDHR does not, so please do not make this claim. There is strong sentiment to create such a right, feel free to say this, but please do not claim that this right exists under the UDHR - or cite a UNSC resolution establishing it. I believe that there is such a right in some nations and perhaps in the EU. Just be clear about where it does or does not exist (or is recognized). It would be better to have someone edit this, eventually it will require deletion if not sourced.
"Since the publication of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Charter of the United Nations—UN) in 1948, the public perception has been increasingly changing to a focus on the human right of housing, travel and migration as a part of individual self-determination rather than the human condition." The following is not accurate and should remain only if sourced: "The Declaration, an international law reinforcement of the Nuremberg Trial Judgements, upholds the rights of one nation to intervene in the affairs of another if said nation is abusing its citizens, and rose out of a 1939-1945 World War II Atlantic environment of extreme split between "haves" and "have nots." The modern study of homeless phenomena is most frequently seen in this historical context."
Nuremberg said nothing about housing. The UDHR says nothing about housing either, and the UNSC has never claimed this. Many NGOs have made such claims that can be sourced, by the UN is not among them.
The "public perception" described should be sourced to western europe, or wherever polls support this claim. Presently it sounds like the claim is for global rather than just regional opinion. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 23:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Wait, since when has being homeless become a mental illness? Seriously? Was someone just really Xenophobic and everyone else who saw it shrugged it off? Honestly, HOMELESSNESS IS NOT AN ILLNESS! 22.214.171.124 (talk) 07:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't think "sleeping rough" is a British term for homelessness specifically. Sleeping rough can refer to any simple sleeping arrangement devoid of a bed. Bus stop (talk) 23:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- In the United States, we have a term called "roughing it" which is nearly identical, except there's usually an implication that it's temporary and being done for recreation (camping for example). Sometimes it is used as a euphemism for involuntary living conditions, but almost never applied to someone who is permanently homeless. There's probably a connection between the American and British terms. -- Atama頭 19:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
homelessness in Canada
There is some excellent work happening in Canada specific to homeleness research and public policy and ending homelesness programs. I tried to start a page that referenced some of this work but the entry was 'blacklisted' I asked for some guidance on what this means but did not hear anything back from editors. We have solid evidence based work on a national level that would greatly enhance the wiki section on homlessness - especially in the north american context. Could someone provide some guidance on how to contribute? (Kmilaney (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC))
Homelessness probably didn't begin in the Middle Ages
I'll betcha that Ancient Rome had her street people and homeless drifters... and so on and so forth all the way back to ancient Sumeria. Pretty common artifact of civilization. — Rickyrab | Talk 03:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'll make another educated guess - that the homeless of ancient Rome were often either proletarii (members of the propertyless class) or freed slaves. — Rickyrab | Talk 04:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
This article defines homelessness only as a kind of affliction, ignoring that it also can be a lifestyle choice. Some people choose to be homeless because they prefer to sleep outside —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:35, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- I second this. There are plenty of people who CHOOSE to be homeless and do not suffer from any of the classic problems that many homeless people deal with (mental illness, drug/alcohol addiction, unemployment, etc.). There is a growing movement of people that hold a job, have a social life, and do all the things that most typical non-homeless people do, but they choose to live out of their car or in a secluded, wilderness area as a way of saving money. I would like to add a small paragraph or so to this page detailing this. Any objections? Hsxeric (talk) 02:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Mental Illness and Deinstitutionalization
I propose that the article mention the link between homelessness and the problems posed by the lack of accessible mental health care to the homeless, e.g. the fact that some homeless people are in need of long-term mental health care. Benkaplan42 (talk) 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Recent Edit (s)
People argue vociferously about the "cause" of homelessness. A conclusory determination without citation, in the very first sentence, is in violation of the most basic WP policies. गीता Brother Can You Spare A Dime - Unsparingly correcting prejudicial edits
There is no such thing as a "legal definition" of "street people" at least not in the non-relevant cited page.
New Page Proposal
I posted at the Drawing Board just to be polite. Nobody has commented.
All the red links are there for a reason please do not perturb.
The citations will be put in you can help if you like please no heavy hands I am onto a real deficit in this page and have the skilss to bring it up to snuff. Thanks all for your patience.
Disambiguation page is protected but has terrible improper language tantamount to hate speech
It is really a shame that this issue has not been addressed a long long time ago.
BUM disambiguation lists it as a term for homeless person. Note that "coon" is not listed as a term for a person of some race, and for good reason. Prejudiced hate language should not be dignified on wikipedia.
"Chink" same problem.
It makes no difference that it is called a "derogatory term".
Here is from the Oxford English Dictionary:
slang (orig. and chiefly U.S.). 1. Thesaurus » Categories »
a. A lazy and dissolute person; an habitual loafer or tramp; = bummer n.3 See also quot. 1933. 1864 Gold Hill (Nevada) News 15 Apr. 5/1 The poli
- Wikipedia is not censored. Coon and chink are both identified in their articles as derogatory terms for blacks and Asians, respectively. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Ref=homeless viewed as unobtrusive please weave into mainspace
I would like to edit this
I am in a public policy class at Syracuse University. I am interested in editing this page as part of a project. I am open to any suggestions you have. I believe this article is a bit too long, it needs to be reorganized a little and some things should be deleted. I would also be interested in making a US public policy section. I have and am still doing research for this subject and look forward to making some changes. Again if there is anything you would like to see me change or if there is any help you can provide please let me know. I will change things tomorrow morning and would really appreciate it if you would ask me why i felt the need to place/delete/change/ect things before you hit that tempting delete button. This is for a grade. I have every intention of doing the page justice.
- Sounds great. Might I suggest making individual changes (along with adding appropriate edit summaries) rather than making all your changes in one big edit? Also, remember that any new material should be appropriately sourced. --NeilN talk to me 03:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for that advice. I will most definitely do that. I do not want my stuff taken down every day. I actually went and found some of the sources that are already in use as well as more recent articles and reports that dispute information on here. --HattieMichelle (talk) 10:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
19th century section
hello, i'm only visiting here. found an article about homeless people in london in the mid 19th century. if it's not too long, pls put it in the 19th century section. see below. thanks, Maximilian 20:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Homeless people populated the London parks in summer. A letter to the editor of The Times from 1864 describes the “poor folks” as the “homeless and horseless” who “creep into the parks to get some sleep”. He demands tolerance: “Turning out these half-starved, naked wretches, when for a few hours they seek some rest, would be a most outrageous and wanton proceeding, and one, by the way, which would be illegal.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximilian Schönherr (talk • contribs) 20:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Picture of the 'homeless' guy in Amsterdam
The picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:La_otra_Europa_8_Amsterdam.JPG is NOT of a homeless guy. This is a guy I know through a mutual friend and he is not homeless! He lives in a communal squating building and he lives a chosen life outside 'the system' (his words). I think it's pretty insulting to put this pic up here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkruijff (talk • contribs) 14:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Homeless defined (redux)- Please review/revise
Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) use the following: A homeless individual is defined in section 330(h)(4)(A) as "an individual who lacks housing (without regard to whether the individual is a member of a family), including an individual whose primary residence during the night is a supervised public or private facility (e.g., shelters) that provides temporary living accommodations, and an individual who is a resident in transitional housing." A homeless person is an individual without permanent housing who may live on the streets; stay in a shelter, mission, single room occupancy facilities, abandoned building or vehicle; or in any other unstable or non-permanent situation. [Section 330 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C., 254b)] An individual may be considered to be homeless if that person is "doubled up," a term that refers to a situation where individuals are unable to maintain their housing situation and are forced to stay with a series of friends and/or extended family members. In addition, previously homeless individuals who are to be released from a prison or a hospital may be considered homeless if they do not have a stable housing situation to which they can return. A recognition of the instability of an individual's living arrangements is critical to the definition of homelessness. (HRSA/Bureau of Primary Health Care, Program Assistance Letter 99-12, Health Care for the Homeless Principles of Practice) PER: http://www.nhchc.org/HCHFAQ.pdf
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Refuges for homeless people
Perhaps portable shelters can be mentioned in this section ? See http://www.designboom.com/competition/shelter-in-a-cart/
New HUD definition
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The legal definition of "homeless" varies from country to country, or among different entities or institutions in the same country or region
There is a "dubious" tag here in the lede. I don't think this statement is dubious. In some countries, families living in motels are classified as homeless. In some countries, living in a motel would not be considered being "homeless". In some countries, people "couch surfing" by staying with friends are classified as homeless. There are different definitions of what counts as homelessness from different institutions and sectors, even in the same region (e.g., a homeless advocacy organization's classification versus a government-run shelter's classification). OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 17:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
SSI/SSDI Outreach, Access and Recovery Program
I would like to add this helpful information to the Social Supports section of this article.
SOAR is a national project funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Adminstration that is designed to increase access to SSI/SSDI for eligible adults who are homeless or at risk of becoming homelessness and have a mental illness and/or a co-occurring substance use disorder. Using a 3-pronged approach of Startegic Planning, Training, and Technical Assistance (TA), the SOAR TA Center coordinates this effort at the state and community level. (SOAR TA Website)SOAR@prainc.com
This could be beneficial for the people seeking long term housing, and some people don't even realize that they are eligible for these benefits.
Please see Talk:List_of_organizations_opposing_homelessness#Requested_move and share your thoughts.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 05:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Can we add a small piece on Belgium ? Appearantly, from 1891 up untill 1993, not having enough money to buy a bread, and/or not having an identification permit on hand was illegal, and people that did not have these, could be confined to an institution, which was state-sponsored. These institutions were often farms, a bit like a kibbutzim, ... were they could also stay/sleep (accomodation was arranged for them, for example in places like Merksplas). Homeless people often did not have money or identification neither (especially as identification papers expire after a while and require a small sum to have it extended). As such, homeless people were often also "landlopers". After 1993, landlopers were referred to the street, which often worsened their situation considerably.
I feel it should be implemented as; all though the concept of being in violation to the law because of simply not having any money was absurd, the institutions did improve their situation and the measure could possibly be implemented again, in certain countries (which is why this history section would be useful).
- Council of Australian Governments, Intergovernmental Agreement on Federal Financial Relations, National Affordable Housing Agreement, Schedule 1: NAtional Partnership Agreement on Homelessness, Interpretation, p4 <http://www.coag.gov.au>
- See Australian Bureau of Statistics Australian Census Analytic Program. Counting the Homeless 2006. Publication number 2050.0, released September 2008, ABS pviii
- Scanlon, Charles (26 April 2002). "Japan's homeless demand help". BBC. Retrieved 2008-07-27.
- The Times August 10, 1864, page 9
- (SOAR TA Website)SOAR@prainc.com