Talk:I'm really excited about the opening of the Tuen Ma line

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BorgQueen talk 11:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that a train enthusiast was so excited about the opening of the Tuen Ma line that he sang about it?

• Source: SCMPMing Pao

• ALT1: ... that on this day three years ago, someone was really excited about the opening of Tuen Ma line? Source: SCMPMing Pao
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/REM de l'Est
• Comment: I'd like to request for the date to be June 27th since that day is the third anniversary of the opening of the line and the third anniversary of the phrase being said.

On another note, as I will be going to China from tomorrow until the 30th, and as most will know Wikipedia can't be used in China, I'd appreciate some patience if I don't answer until after that date. I might use roaming to make minor edits or answer some questions before then, but I likely won't make any large-scale edits until after.

Created by S5A-0043 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

S5A-0043^Talk 08:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC).

• Comment (not a full review). Per the spirit of WP:BLP, I do not think an article about an autistic boy who became an internet meme is suitable for the Main Page, especially if the full name is mentioned. (The original media reports used 羅先生 (Mr. Law) or 羅同學 (Classmate Law); I do not know when and which HK media started using the full name). The article itself mentions doxxing and negative attention; posting on our Main Page has the potential to lead to further harm. I would suggest not to post this without clear consensus otherwise from a place like the BLP noticeboard. —Kusma (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Valereee and Kusma: I'll consolidate my response over here so as not to split the discussion too much and cause any confusion. For the person name, while the person is indeed referred as 羅同學 or 羅先生 a lot in Chinese media, the ones I found in English (SCMP and The Standard in particular) refer to the person by the full name Jason Law: [1][2][3][4]. In fact The Standard included the romanization of 哲琛 as well, but I decided against including it since it isn't really a critical detail in this case. My reasoning for the usage of the full name is based on WP:COMMONNAME, which states that we "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" (emphasis added in italics). Yes this isn't an article title but nonetheless since "Mr Law" or "Classmate Law" isn't as widespread in English I don't think it'll be helpful in this case.
I'm not opposed to a discussion on WP:BLPN or somewhere else, but respectfully I'm not sure whether it still matters. As in, it's been three years since the phrase was first said. During these three years, not only has the person made further appearences and interviews [5][6], he has even appeared in an official MTR video re-enacting the scene [7][8]. I'm very sympathetic to his experience of being doxxed, but I genuinely think that given the time passage it isn't particularly as big of a deal as we may think. Him opening up about being doxxed was in 2021; he is still making appearences thanks to the notability from this phrase in 2022. If there was so much of a worry, he could've rejected any further publicity and we wouldn't be seeing him in the MTR video. In addition, there's been far less coverage about the doxxing as far as I can find compared to the more positive aspects, meaning most media (and in turn WP:RSes) don't think this is an important aspect to cover either. I hope I summed up my perspective well enough, and I'm open to any objections.
Regarding a possible merge as suggested on WT:DYK, my opinion would be oppose. The article easily passes WP:GNG with the number of sources covering the subject, and the MTR video shows that it still has a lasting effect even one year later. Plus, I'm not sure how the article can be merged. I already had a hard time finding articles to link to my article on existing content, and (at least for me) it's quite tough to add details of this event into other articles. S5A-0043^Talk 02:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• • • I find it difficult to judge whether he really embraces his popularity. His YouTube just looks like railfan stuff not trying to profit from his viral appearance. Happy to hear other opinions. —Kusma (talk) 09:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
      • Seems like he's talked to reporters, so he's not shy about coverage – but this has to be an NEVENT fail, right? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
      • oh, maybe not. hm... i do think this would be better merged, but if we go through with this, let's be kind to the guy. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Given the concerns about whether or not the article meets BLP and the notability guidelines, along with how this still hasn't gotten an actual review despite being open for over a month, I wonder if it would be for the best to just reject this nomination as a bad fit for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
• Actually, I'm just going ahead and marking this for closure due to a lack of review, which suggests that editors are reluctant to touch it over its content and context. Probably for the best. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

To be fair, the only reason I haven't reviewed this is because I strictly review oldest first and there are a few ahead of this. I'd be wanting a very strong rationale as to why this article should stay up given WP:MPJI, especially given that a common facet of autism is an impaired sense of danger awareness - perhaps I'm extrapolating from mine but he may very well have not realised 'doing this will attract further odium'.--Launchballer 09:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

"Brainwash"?

Hey, S5A-0043, I'm wondering about the translation -- would earworm be a possible better translation? Valereee (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Putting a note here that I’m aware of the concerns raised both here and on WT:DYK. However I’d still reply when I get back home as it’s really inconvenient for me to type a long paragraph (doing it on an iPad is too much of a headache).

On another note, I changed the “brainwashing” to “an earworm”. S5A-0043^Talk 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)