Talk:I Don't Wanna Live Forever

Requested move 9 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 18:39, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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I Don't Wanna Live Forever → I Don't Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker) – Full title of song, and instead of speedy-deleting the full title's namespace to make room for the move, thinking it could be moved by an admin. Ss112 18:22, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 19:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

• But is that common name? Many news sources just refer to it as 'I Don't Wanna Live Forever'. Fuortu (talk) 19:12, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
• @Ss112 and Fuortu: Queried page move request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 19:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
• I want to make sure we know the proper name before we move anything. Other than iTunes, there aren't too many places adding (Fifty Shades Darker). Kellymoat (talk) 19:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
  • The proper name of the song is clearly "I Don't Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker)", the single cover clearly denotes this with the subtitle appearing in parentheses, and the song is also listed this way on iTunes. I think it's too soon to make a COMMONNAME argument since the song just came out. In the meantime, we should default to the official title. Chase (talk | contributions) 19:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
• Whoa, this happened quickly in my name when I only took it to WP:RM/TR. I only suggested this because I saw I Don't Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker) tagged for speedy deletion in order to move the page and I thought "well, this might end up happening anyway". I don't really care either way. I was actually thinking that Earned It technically had/has the subtitle "Fifty Shades of Grey", but that was left out of the namespace for it. Ss112 19:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
  • "Earned It" was a little more complicated, as the single cover didn't clearly show whether "(Fifty Shades of Grey)" was a part of the title, and it would sometimes be listed on iTunes/Spotify other outlets without the subtitle, depending on where you looked. And the Academy Awards, a year later, nominated it without the subtitle. This Swift/Zayn song title seems to be more clear-cut. Chase (talk | contributions) 20:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Even though it looks like most media is going without film title, the press release from Republic Records says "I Don't Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker)".Brad davis texas (talk) 20:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
• I think it should just be called "I Don't Wanna Live Forever." When you look at "Love Me Like You Do," which was the second single from the first movie, it had the name of the movie (Fifty Shades of Grey) in the single cover, but they omitted that from the title. So I don't think we need Fifty Shades Darker in the title. --Awesome444a444 (talk) 21:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree. Leave it the way it is. No one will call it by its subtitle. The title is long as it is. CB19 (talk) 21:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
    • See, I disagree with that logic. I want it listed as the proper title. We can use redirects for improper titles. I just want to make sure we know what the proper title is before we change anything. Kellymoat (talk) 22:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
      • @Kellymoat: here's the press release Brad davis texas was referring to: International superstars ZAYN & Taylor Swift have released “I Don’t Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker)” ... I Don’t Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker)” was written specifically for the Fifty Shades Darker feature film. And here is the iTunes listing. Chase (talk | contributions) 00:35, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
  • "Love Me Like You Do" never carried the FSOG subtitle, and the single cover says "Love Me Like You Do from the Fifty Shades of Grey Original Motion Picture Soundtrack", whereas the Swift song's cover reads "I Don't Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker) ... from the Fifty Shades Darker Original Motion Picture Soundtrack". Chase (talk | contributions) 00:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose – "Fifty Shades Darker" in parentheses is only promoting this movie, same situation as "Earned It" 2 years ago. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:491B:FF7C:5C78:B49A (talk) 22:32, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotional gimmick or not, that doesn't mean it's not a part of the title. Chase (talk | contributions) 00:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose not part of title. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:59, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose was sent to radio as "I Don't Wanna Live Forever". Cornerstonepicker (talk) 13:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose the film's name is not part of the song's title. Luiz ✈ 19:12, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
  • According to...? Several sources have been provided showing it is. Chase (talk | contributions) 02:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose --U990467 (talk) 06:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Why? Chase (talk | contributions) 02:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose – The Fifty Shades Darker part is just an extension of including the film name, not part of main song name. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
• I agree with the move. The song's listed as "I Don't Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker)" on iTunes store as well implying the parenthesis is part of the song. Whereas Love Me Like You Do had no such tag in the title. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 15:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose - The "Fifty Shades Darker" is an extension of the original title to show that the song is for the movie. For instance, "Safe & Sound" was sold as "Safe & Sound (from "the Hunger Games Soundtrack)", but nobody would add in the second part since it shows that the song is from the movie. Furthermore, trusted music outlets have labelled it simply as "I Don't Wanna Live Forever". Whereas, other songs with a bracket in the title are also included normally for daily usage, such as "Send My Love (To Your New Lover)", "Runaway (U & I)", "All In My Head (Flex)" simply because the secondary title in the brackets do not show that the song is being written specially for a movie or anything else. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 09:19, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

• The song is not listed as "I Don't Wanna Live Forever (from Fifty Shades Darker), it's sold as "I Don't Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker)" and its single cover lists that full title before additionally listing "from the Fifty Shades Darker soundtrack". Since when do we have standards on what a subtitle is intended to do? Hint: we haven't. Chase (talk | contributions) 19:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose It's a subtitle to promote the movie. Just mention it as an alternate title in the lead of the article (like withEarned It). BlaccCrab (talk) 20:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

• A subtitle for promotional purposes is still a subtitle. Chase (talk | contributions) 19:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose It's a subtitle for promo and should be considered a second title. It isnt the name of the song just to mention somewhere that it was for the movie, as mentioned above with the article (like withEarned It). Give this song the same treatment. Cyberjoel95 (talk) 11:59, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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Genre

Electro-R&B really? First of all that genre doesn't exist. Secondly, this song is a cookie cutter PBR&B composition. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 07:20, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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