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2020 Hauskonzerte section

Yesterday (20 may 2020) I added a new section to this page, "2020 Hauskonzerte", in order to highlight this delightful body of work by Mr. Levit. The section has been edited since then, and I want to contest some of the edits.

DISCLAIMER: I am very new to editing on Wikipedia. For example, I have never contributed to an article talk page. I welcome style, formatting, and policy corrections and guidance.

a) The text 'During the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020, Levit posted a series of 52 Hauzkonzerte to Twitter,...' has been changed to 'During the Coronavirus pandemic of 2020, Levit began to post a series of 52 Hauskonzerte to Twitter.' I welcome the link, thank you. It is incorrect, however, to say that he 'began to post' them: in fact, he has concluded the series (he makes this explicit in his twitter feed), so it is correct to say (past tense) that he posted them. Can we agree to change that wording back?

b) All of the Twitter links I added have been removed. Why is that? My intent was to provide for the reader a link to each of the beautiful Hauskonzerte. Is it a wikipedia policy violation to provide such links? -- Rbd001 (talk) 08:01, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's a good idea to move the Twitter-links of Hauskonzerte to the section external links (with heading Hauskonzerte). Additionally I think it's better to use the Twitter template Grimes2 (talk) 09:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I moved them to References.

Hi Rbd001, please allow me to give you a more detailled feedback on this issue:

It is nothing special. Nearly every musician did similar projects during the pandemic and before. Including this, would mean, we would have to include similar sections for other musicians.
It doesn't add anything to his notability. Musicans give concerts, all of them do. Including each and every concert, even if it has commentary would overload any wikipedia article. A good example is the article of Friedrich Gulda, who was also very controversial and politcally active. He died with 80, Igor Levit is just mid 35, but Igor's article is already double as long. The length of the article should also reflect the notability of a person. Igor Levit's article is in my opinion already much too long and reads like advertisement for his person.
The article does not follow similar articles on other notable musicians. Musicians such as Yuja Wang, Matha Argerich or Krystian Zimerman which are much more famouse internationally have substantially shorter articles.
Advertisement: This section reads as an advertisment for Igor Levit's Twitter channel which is part of his political work/agenda. I understand if an article on Donald Trump includes SOME notable tweets, as it was one of his main communication platform during his presidency, but Igor Levit is just a politically active artist from Germany, not the president of the USA.
Even if you think the format "Hauskonzerte" is so important, that it needs to be included, then there is no reason, why the article needs a linke to every single one of them. A general link to his twitter account would be enough. Linking Twitter in wikipedia is usually a good way to boost search engine optimization, but this is not what Wikipedia is for. Apart from that the general guideline is to avoid listings.

Please keep in mind, that Wikipedia is an ecyclopedia, which should include information that have encyclopedical value. Subjective things such as: I like these concerts, that why they should be preserved in Wikipedia are not enough to justify an inclusion in Wikipedia. The most important factor here is notability.

Thank you anyway for your contribution. Don't get discuraged!

Jole Jole222 (talk) 09:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The list of Hauskonzerte has to go. But its a pity, this was a lot of work. Maybe its a good idea, to move the individual concerts completely as multiref2 to the references. A short summary of the Hauskonzerte (with multiref2) is ok. Grimes2 (talk) 11:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest to make it a separate article, as we do discographies when too much for the Main article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. Grimes2 (talk) 11:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Per the MoS, WP:BLP: Nationality is determine by the subject's citizenship at the time they became notable. Surely Levit was not notable when he was eight years old. We need a source to indicate which nation he was a citizen of when he started winning competitions, which I would posit is when Levit became notable.MisterCSharp (talk) 13:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Levit identifies as a Jew, but this article makes that unclear

Levit is Jewish, but the article makes that hard to figure out (it only states he was born "to a Jewish family"). His most recent album even seems to include a star of david symbol and his twitter is all about antisemitism recently. For example, he identifies himself very explicitly as a Jew in this post. I am not sure where to find good sources for wikipedia for this though so I am bringing this up for discussion on the talk page. I suggest changing the first sentence to something like "Igor Levit is a Jewish Russian-German..." ShaiGoldman18 (talk) 17:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]