Talk:In the Pines
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I think the Mars Commerical should be mentioned too!
Link Wray performed an altered version called, I believe, "Georgia Pines," in the 1970's for his Polydor records. It has been collected in the "Polydor Years" collection.
Additionally, in folk terms the song goes back to a generalized "dead girl singing" tradition, where ghosts turn out to be in dialog with the singer, and that's a basic component of the ballad. Geogre 15:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Folk artist Dave Van Ronk recorded a version of this song called "In the Pines" which can be found on his album Folkway Years (1959-1961) (my personal favorite rendition..) DavidKelly999 09:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the song has been traced in Great Britain and Ireland. It is definitely an Appalachian tune and in many versions is called "Red Bird" not "Black Girl." Lead Belly sang it as part of his repertoire but he seems to have learned it during his years in the folk revival. Mballen (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
It's Lead Belly
hes pretty Fn cool hes pretty much more thug than 5o cent
Does anyone else find it a little strange that they talk about this songs rich history as a folk song and all the talanted musicians who have recorded it or played it, but Nirvana is the band that has the information at the bottom? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
- No.BennyFromCrossroads 21:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that Nirvana's discography is completely irrelevant to this article. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Jonathan
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In The Pines
I would prefer to see this article titled "In the Pines", with "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" redirected to it. "In the Pines" was the title most familiar to the folk, country, roots & bluegrass musicians who popularised the song, & most recorded versions also have this title. "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" is the title only of Lead Belly's rendition of the song, & the title used by others like Nirvana who have specifically covered Lead Belly's version (often wrongly believing that he authored it). I think that calling this article "Where Did You Sleep" rather than "In the Pines" is just perpetuating the myth that this is Lead Belly's song more than anybody's else's. Any thoughts? Weasel Fetlocks (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Since nobody has objected or responded, I have gone ahead with the move. In the interests of diplomacy, & acknowledging both commonly known titles, I have called the article "In The Pines (Where Did You Sleep Last Night?)". Please do not move the article back to old location without first discussing your reasons for wanting to do so. Thanks. Weasel Fetlocks (talk) 20:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Cecil J. Sharp
I've taken a look in Cecil J. Sharp's 1917 book English Folk Songs From The Southern Appalachians and I definitely can't find this song there. I wonder if the article is right in claiming that the song was first published by Sharp. - Gus (T, C) 2010-03-31 18:55Z
Judith McCulloh's Thesis
I found the claim of 160 variants interesting, and tried to follow it up. This figure of 160 is one of those Chinese Whispers that seem to be replicated all over the internet without being properly checked (or even adequately sourced) by authors.
One of the better references, http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38433 cites Paul Oliver's 'Songsters & Saints' as including the following:
- "Oliver goes on to refer to Judith McCulloh's unpublished Ph.D thesis for Indiana University (1970), titled 'In the Pines: The Melodic-Textual Identity of an American Lyric Folk-Song Cluster', which was based on the study of 160 variants of the song on record and in print. McCulloh believes the mine references were to mines in Dade County, Georgia, owned by Governor Joseph Emerson Brown in the 1870s. She suggests the railroad accident with the gruesome headless body image probably originated in the Reconstruction period. "
Footnote 7 on p 270 of Paul Oliver's "Songsters and Saints" does indeed refer to Mculloh's work as an unpublished Ph.D thses from Indiana University in 1970.
- McCulloh, Judith Marie, In the Pines: The Melodic-Textual Identity of an American Lyric Folksong Cluster. Ph.D., Folklore, Indiana University, 1970. xi, 651 p. mus. exs., discog., bibliog.DDM Code: 02foMccK; DA no.: 31/11:5964; RILM no.: 71:4225dd; UM no.: 71-13553
However, the thesis may have been published subsequently by Indiana University see google books link
I have added the reference to the source; however, as yet, I have seen no original text which actually verifies the figure of 160.
"In Films" Redundancy
Hey, I'm not a regular editor, I don't even have a wikipedia account to sign into, so I figured I'd point out the matter here, and let you guys decide what you want to do. In the "In Films" section, the second bullet point reads: "A few lines of the song are sung by Sissy Spacek, playing Loretta Lynn, in the 1980 film, Coal Miner's Daughter." The seventh, and final, bullet point reads: "This song is also sang by Sissy Spacek in her portrayal of Loretta Lynn in the 1980 movie Coal Miner's Daughter." Aren't both of these referring to the same thing, and shouldn't one of them be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2012 (UTC)