Talk:Infinite Flight

Article update.

Hello,

I would like to thank you for maintaining this page and protecting it against vandalism over the years.

However, I have noticed that this Wikipedia article is significantly outdated, with much of the information either no longer accurate or relevant. Despite efforts to improve the article with objective and updated content, these changes have consistently been reverted. I understand and respect Wikipedia's policies against promotion, but the additions have been aimed solely at enhancing the article's accuracy and relevance.

When comparing this article to its French counterpart or to articles about similar simulators, it is clear that this page is lacking in comprehensive and current information. For the sake of maintaining Wikipedia's standard of providing reliable and up-to-date content, I kindly request that updates to this page be considered and allowed.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

Best regards.

@Woodroar Planespotter1 (talk) 14:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Planespotter1, your post is unactionable (and clearly written by AI). If you have specific content changes supported by reliable sources to suggest, please do so. Schazjmd (talk) 14:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

I have suggested edits with information sourced from the Infinite Flight webpage, as well as their development timeline. The modifications I wish to bring are a timeline of the growth and development of the simulator, as well as updated information on gameplay.

Thanks Planespotter1 (talk) 14:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I presume that you're talking about your edits from March 2023. I suggest that you present your argument for why there should be a development timeline here on the talk page and get consensus for it. Schazjmd (talk) 15:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Benefits of adding an updated timeline.

Hello,

I would like to add a timeline and some updated information on the page and would like a consensus.

Adding a timeline (similar to that on the page for X-plane, or the French version of this article) allows for a clear, detailed report of how the simulator grew and what steps were undertaken during its development. It would also show the simulator's functions/features, and it's development milestones, which can help this page be more connected and be less of a "stub". Finally, it would allow for more up-to-date information about the simulator while keeping the information from previous versions.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks! Planespotter1 (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Are there any independent sources that talk about the simulator's development? Pointing to X-Plane (simulator) isn't very persuasive, as that article has multiple tags pointing out its problems. Schazjmd (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Infinite Flight: Fully Functional Flight Sim For Your Phone - Plane & Pilot Magazine (planeandpilotmag.com)

Infinite Flight updated with 3D buildings and clouds — General Aviation News

FlightRadar24 adds 3D Infinite Flight airplane models - iPad Pilot News

The top 20 apps for pilots – 2024 edition - iPad Pilot News

"Aviation et Pilote - Edition 590 Mars 2023 P3"

Could these sources be used?

Thanks Planespotter1 (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Could these sources be used? To support what text? Scanning each article, none of them appear to discuss the development of or timeline for the simulator. Schazjmd (talk) 16:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Sourcing depends on context. That being said, Plane and Pilot Magazine was discussed in the archives and is probably reliable, but nothing was ever done with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Aviation et Pilote appears to be a magazine, so parts of it may be reliable but we'd need to know more to discuss. The General Aviation News source is a paraphrased press release, so I wouldn't consider it usable in any capacity. iPad Pilot News is also probably not usable, as it's a run by "pilot shop and a leading developer of iPad apps and accessories" and appears to be mostly advertisements and SEO-type content. Woodroar (talk) 16:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

This article "Infinite Flight updated with 3D buildings and clouds" was written by a member of the General Aviation News staff after they attended a panel “Flight Practice with Mobile Tech” at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2019. They are simply explaining on their own accord what the simulator is in plain english, highlighting the features the simulator had at that time.

For example, you could use the details about the ForeFlight link feature and its use for pilots to simulate a real-world environment. Hellotrio (talk) 17:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong article link on the previous message. Lessons learned: A ‘new’ way to brief a flight by Ben Sclair Hellotrio (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe? As mentioned above, it depends on what you want to use it for. Something to keep in mind is that most of the content about Infinite Flight is quoting or paraphrasing Laura Laban. It may be usable for some basic, non-controversial or self-serving facts, like we would an interview. (See Wikipedia:Interviews for the essay on that.) Oh, and on the extremely off chance that you're curious about citing the comments, they're primary/self-published so not usable—if they're even by the Laura from Infinite Flight. (Yes, that's probably her, but unverified comments like that are never acceptable as sources.) Woodroar (talk) 20:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I agree with Schazjmd. If you can suggest any reliable, independent, secondary sources that cover the development of the game (or any other aspects), I'd be happy to discuss them.

X-Plane (simulator) is, to be frank, an awful article. That Versions section specifically violates our WP:NOTCHANGELOG policy. Woodroar (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

June edit and revert

Hi Planespotter1, you made quite a few changes (and I reverted several of them), so I wanted to break down the issues here:

• In the Infobox video game template, the "modes" field should be used for single-player, multiplayer, or both. The documentation for that template is at Template:Infobox video game.
• The CEO and CTO shouldn't be named unless they're mentioned in reliable, secondary sources. That per our policy on content about living persons.
• The game genre is flight simulation video game. The Flight simulator article is for professional flight simulator devices.
• Mentioning lessons isn't really necessary. It's a video game, so it's assumed there will be tutorials of some kind. In fact, games that don't include tutorials tend to get press for it, which might be worthy of mention in an article.
• What is "Jean-Michel Bossuet, , dans Aviation et Pilote, , 2023, p. 20-31"? A Google search says this is probably a magazine? If so, we'll need an issue number and cover date.
• The screenshot has a lot of issues. It's too large, doesn't demonstrate anything mentioned in the article, and it's missing a number of tags and copyright information. I wouldn't be surprised if it were deleted. I suggest reading through WP:VGIMAGES and Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria.

I hope that helps. You did fix some link consistency issues, which I tried to keep wherever possible. If you have any questions, please ask. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 22:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)