Talk:Jack & Coke (songwriters)

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Requested move 17 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 14:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jack & Coke → Jack & Coke (songwriters) – WP:ASTONISH, proposing that this title become a primary redirect to Jack and Coke. 162 etc. (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Houbarte: who undid my bold move to this effect. 162 etc. (talk) 18:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as unnecessary. I don't see any benefit to that. Each article already has a hatnote pointing to the other, and this article gets only 6 hits per day, compared to 113 for the drink, so no one appears to be getting lost. Doesn't seem that likely that any significant number of people who don't want the songwriters would use the ampersand anyway. Station1 (talk) 19:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This is essentially the same argument you made at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 21#Perfect Ten, where consensus agreed that Perfect 10 and Perfect Ten are ambiguous. Same goes for Jack and Coke and Jack & Coke, with the former being the primary topic, per the pageview numbers you cited above. 162 etc. (talk) 19:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - The WP-wide consensus is reflected in the guideline at WP:SMALLDETAILS: "The general approach is that whatever readers might type in the search box, they are guided as swiftly as possible to the topic they might reasonably be expected to be looking for, by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages. When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics". In this case, hatnotes are in place. Station1 (talk) 19:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - That doesn't seem to be the case as I have shown the drink is also written with the ampersand. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - There's no question that the drink is sometimes written with the ampersand. The question is, if someone is searching on WP for the specific string "Jack & Coke", what are they more likely looking for? There's no way to tell that for sure, and only a fraction of the 6 readers per day get to the article by that method anyway, but the greatest possible benefit to a move is that 6 readers per day will no longer have to click on a hatnote to get to the article they want. But it's equally as likely that 6 readers per day who are now at the article they want will instead have to click on a hatnote. Since the 2 topics are each at their respective best titles, and since those 2 titles don't conflict (the "&" is good enough for the software), I prefer disambiguating by hatnotes rather than article titles, but it will make little difference either way. Station1 (talk) 05:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support the Papilon reference in the cocktail article uses the "&". Either make this title a DAB or redirect as proposed. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:ASTONISH.--Ortizesp (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Obvious primary topic. The difference between "and" and "&" is obviously too small to make a difference here, as they are quite interchangeable. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Clear primary redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. "&" vs. "and" is not enough to distinguish the two. It is reasonably common to write the drink as "Jack & Coke". Adumbrativus (talk) 19:35, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - some recipes for the drink "Jack and Coke" uses the & character per Google site search, making this title for the songwriters quite ambiguous. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:11, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.