Talk:James T. Kirk

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Former good article nominee James T. Kirk was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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January 25, 2009 Peer review Reviewed
November 24, 2009 Good article nominee Not listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Portrayals of James T. Kirk[edit]

Didn't Sandra Smith portray Kirk in Turnabout Intruder, albeit in a woman's body? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.106.133 (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


middle name problem[edit]

I know everyone thinks Kirks middle name is Tiberius, thus his middle initial is T. However, if you watch WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE, and you look at the gravestone Mitchell has made for Kirk, it says "JAMES R. KIRK" on it. "R" ... not "T" ... wonder why? AbbythecatAbbythecat (talk) 23:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The real reason boils down to making the prop without knowing or checking the "real" answer. In-universe, I think there have been a few wonky retcon ideas proposed. My favorite comes from one of the Q-centric novels which suggests Where No Man happened in an alternate timeline. Regardless, this is an utterly trivial detail outside the appropriate scope of this article; this time of tiny detail is more aptly covered at e.g. Memory Alpha. --EEMIV (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
But should it mention that during the rest of the original series, the T remained just an initial, with the Tiberius added later ? -- Beardo (talk) 04:49, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

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Kirk's age[edit]

Several times in the history of this article, Kirk's date of birth has been changed back and forth. We need to establish the year of his birth. The plaque in Riverside, Iowa, claiming to be the birthplace of Kirk, lists it as March 2238, and many people reference this when changing his age. This plaque, however, is not canon. Memory Alpha lists Kirk's birth year as 2233, but they provide no reference. I've googled it and there seems to be some ongoing discussion about it. As far as canon goes, it doesn't seem his birth date was ever mentioned in an episode. His tombstone in Where no man has gone before says "1277.1 to 1818.7" In The Deadly years (stardate 3478.2) Kirk says he is 34 years old. The stardate calculator I found here http://trekguide.com/Stardates.htm#TOScalculator if you plug in the stardate of 3478.2 you get August 2266. When you subtract 34, and adjust for the difference of March and August, you get 2233 as Kirk's birth year. Does anyone have anything more solid? StarHOG (talk) 14:49, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

The premise that "we need to establish the year of his birth" is faulty. If different sources present different years, we can assert and cite the verifiable assertions. Or we can simply state, again with citations to some exemplars, that over time and from various licensed materials, Kirk's date been inconsistent. Or we can ask the broader question: does the trivial detail about when he was born really matter in an encyclopedic treatment of the topic? I suspect the latter is sufficient, and the Depiction section of the article would be just fine excluding any attempt to assert or even narrow down this trivial piece of data. Place of birth seems to matter quite a bit, but when? Nah. Trivia. Save it for Memory Alpha to speculate and present the laundry list of conflicting dates. --EEMIV (talk) 17:29, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Although I certainly said, "We need to establish the year of his birth" what I meant was that people are going to continue to visit this page and change the date of his birth back and forth between 2233 and 2238 unless we figure out a solution. Your removal of his birth date simply creates a third problem, of people adding his birth date, and others deleting it because it is "trivial".StarHOG (talk) 20:40, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
We could do it like in Joan Crawfords article and include a note that says that different sources claim different years of birth.*Treker (talk) 00:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Kirk the newer[edit]

Would an image of Chris Pine as Kirk be possible (and a good idea) in this article per the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria (i see Spock has the newer Spock)? We could of course use one of the free Pine-images, but since the article is about the character, I´d like an image of the character. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Provided it meets NFCC, certainly. I'm not sure that Spock image meets NFCC. --EEMIV (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I believe this is a fine idea, there are two different portrayals, the same WP:FUR that allows using the Shatner publicity image should suffice. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:45, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Beeblebrox Currently discussed at [1]. And I just thought of a third, the animated one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:35, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I came here after seeing that discussion, makes more sense to discuss here, probably. The animated one is a stretch, it's still Shatner, just in drawing form. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:59, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
It´s significantly more "meh", sure. I was inspired by the Aragorn article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

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