|WikiProject Japan / Culture / Food and drink||(Rated C-class, Mid-importance)|
|WikiProject Food and drink||(Rated C-class, Mid-importance)|
Questions and suggestions
Revth, I realize that this is work in progress. Nevertheless, some questions and suggestions:
- The sayings should probably go into their own section. I find mentioning them in the introductory paragraph a bit distracting.
- I think it's needed there as it seems from materials I collected to write this article that both "Kamado" and "Daidokoro" was used together right up to Meiji and sometime after that. Still writing so I might move it down. Revth 15:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Can the timing be made a bit more precise? The Jomon period is pretty large... And can we put some rough year indications after all the Japanese periods, please? For someone (like me) who doesn't know what timespan these periods encompass the text doesn't give a clear idea of when which developments occurred.
- Done. Revth 15:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- "As the stoves became more sophisticated..." leaves me wondering in what way they did become more sophisticated.
- It should have been "safer" and now it is. I'm looking for a picture or a drawing that I can add to better explain that. Revth 15:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Did I get the Asaido description right? It seems to me that it's some kind of early biological filter, and that water had to flow through it in order to get filtered.
- "Water flowed onto an asaido from nearby spring" is how I belive it was so that is probably correct. The problem is, I have never seen an Asaido myself even in a drawing and not exactly sure what that is. Revth 15:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- What do you mean by the "fringe" of a Kakekanahe? Were these somehow hung into holes? Is "fringe" actually the right word, or did you mean a "rim"?
- It may be a "rim". Well, imagine a saucer type UFO and the bottome of a "Kakekanahe" is shaped like that. Revth 15:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- What is a Takigi?
- The description was added, and I think I will later move this list into something like "List of Historic Cooking Tools" because I think this is not exactly about the kitchen. Revth 15:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Are you going to cover different kitchen styles? Such as e.g. a hashiri moto in a Kyoto machiya? The fact that part of the corridor serves as a kitchen appears quite noteworthy to me. (Yes, I realize that this is a later period than what you've covered so far.)
- Yes, it will come just after what I wrote today. Revth 15:50, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- The naming of the article is a bit non-standard (missing blank). How about moving it to Kitchen (Japan) or even Japanese kitchen?
Lupo 13:00, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- This is in a very rough draft and I'm not exactly sure how each facts should be stated or even presented yet. Informations will be added and they would be reorganized. So please wait a little bit more ;) Revth 13:25, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- I know. I just thought asking my questions up front might help more than waiting until you'd be done. Also, if you do have on-line resources in English, French, German, Italian, or Spanish, I could help, too. However, I can't read Asian languages :-( Lupo 13:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- As it is, lots of people are interested in other topics, like anime and technology staff, that there are many site with those informations. But I haven't seen a site that has a detailed information on even a modern Japanese kitchen. There is a Japaese saying that "A kitchen is a woman's castle" and it seems no one had ever even tried going inside it. A Japanese kitchen outwardly resembles an American or Europian kitchen so people probably said, "Oh, the only difference is the rice cooker." and forgot about it.
- Well, even anime and manga is actually helpful in studying Japanese kitchens. If you had a friend who is an anime otaku, ask him to let you see several anime like Doraemon, Sazaesan, and Card Captor Sakura where average Japanese homes can be seen and check when they were released. Changes are very intersting. Revth 16:29, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- On the how this article should be named, do change it to something more in line with other articles. I had planned on the original title as only a temporary one. Revth 13:28, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks! But I was really surprised to see the redirect when I hit the save page button :) Revth 15:05, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There's obviously a ton more that could be added here (or spunoff into separate articles), but for now this is an excellent start and an interesting read. Thanks! LordAmeth 21:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
"Typical Japanese Kitchen" picture
It looks like the "Typical Japanese Kitchen" picture is actually a modern Dutch kitchen? I was uploaded by a user from the Netherlands and has a Bogena pet product on the counter. I actually looked at the picture and though "Wow, kitchens in Japan look *exactly* like they do in Europe." Does anyone have a picture of an actual Japanese kitchen? Aoleson 05:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
This picture has been removed as it is not a correct representation of a typical Japanese kitchen. I have lived in Japan for seven years and a typical kitchen here is a sink, small counter space and a two burner stove. Typical Japanese kitchens have much lower counter spaces than in this photo. The kitchen in this photo is either from a very new and, most likely, expensive house (depending on the area - a kitchen like this in Tokyo would cost a small fortune but would be cheaper in rural areas), it is a photo of a kitchen tailor made to Western tastes or it is not a photo of a Japanese kitchen. I have updated the article with a self-made photo of a typical modern Japanese kitchen. Acronyc (talk) 18:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- you could reference some of these Historical kitchens in Japan --Traveler100 (talk) 19:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Unsource material and some false statements.
I'm a regular contributor for the french wikipedia, and I mainly contribute to the french japanese cuisine category, and recently I decided to write something about historical aspect of japanese kitchen. I took a look at the current article in english, and it really strongly lacks of sources, so I've decided to try to find some interesting sources in order to build the french version of it.
Finding good online sources is quite tedious, but some sources I already found, such as this thesis  exists, and so far what I found out is that it contradicts at least some statements of the article. For example, it states that the location (inside main building or in a separate one) mainly depends on the geographic location and topography of the area (at the cold north : inside in order to benefit from the warm ; outside at south of Japan). Within the house, it also appears that kitchen may be separated from the hall or not, and that cooking may be separated in two separate places (doma and hall).
The wikipedia article also totally ignore the 4 class division of society and its impact on the house structure, and by so, it is quite harsh to know exactly which housing this article deals with.
Moreover, its japanese counterpart does not share much content with the actual english page. However, it is compatible with the english historical part, since it does say (but not source) that the actual kitchen, as a separate place, is a concept that arise during Heian period.
So my two cents on this article so far is that it really need to include good source - or to be strongly refactored.