Talk:Jo-Ann Roberts

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A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 06:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Notability tag[edit]

Since the article survived AfD I removed the notability tag and replaced it with one asking for more references. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:11, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Me-123567-Me, I wouldn't say it survived AfD with its notability not in question (it closed with no consensus, though delete may be slightly favoured), so I have re-added that tag as a secondary tag to your verification tag, which was a good add. For concision, I wrapped the tags in a multiple issues template. Doug Mehus T·C 22:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Dmehus, I absolutely disagree that the notability tag should be there and I will start an RFC on the topic. Me-123567-Me (talk) 23:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Me-123567-Me, There's no harm in keeping it. Her notability is not yet established. In fact, there was no consensus at AfD, and Bearcat, S Marshall, and Harizotoh9 made various points—each for differing reasons. Doug Mehus T·C 23:37, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

RFC about notability tag[edit]

Given that this article "survived" AfD as "no consensus," is it appropriate to leave the notability tag on it? Me-123567-Me (talk) 23:37, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Support leaving notability tag in per the reason(s) of Bearcat, S Marshall, and my own nomination statement in the relevant AfD discussion, though, I would have no issue with leaving it enclosed in a multiple issues tag. At the same time, it's worth noting there are multiple "tests," including WP:NBIO, WP:GNG, and WP:NPOL to which an article must pass to be notable, and it's not yet been demonstrated that she is. Party leaders are not notable by virtue of their having been appointed or elected to a given office, especially in an interim capacity.
For added clarity, I quote the XfD closer Jo-Jo Eumerus, "On the GNG question, the discussion is somewhat inconclusive as we have several assertions in either direction but apparently no specific sources cited as proof that GNG is met. [emphasis added] Regarding the NPOL question (and the more general "is she notable by virtue of being a party leader") it seems like most people here endorse the claim that NPOL is met but the counterargument offered by Bearcat that being an interim leader might not satisfy WP:NPOL criteria carries weight. [emphasis added] On balance, it seems like this has no consensus for plain deletion or keeping mainly due to the uncertain status wrt. meeting GNG criteria. It's perhaps closer to a delete than a keep due to the aforementioned lack of proof but here I don't see a clear cut enough consensus to warrant deletion." --Doug Mehus T·C 23:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC)